▲ 1173 ▼ Steam Users Rally Behind Anti-Censorship Petition (gamerant.com) submitted 1 year ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 235 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago (6 children) i wish gnu taler was widespread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Something like that will kinda work, but using it will flag your transactions if you use it as a business. That's the issue with a lot of these things is that we need to have some kind of balance between privacy and authorities being able to do anything against terrorism etc. And yes you can find terrorists based on transactions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Someone's drunk the "governments only erode our privacy to stop terrorism" coolaid yeesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) No I have seen real world examples of criminals being prosecuted because of what people on my field (accountancy) found during our work. That shits there for a reason. This was company data though, which should be semi transparent anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I never said that it can't be effective, I just don't believe we should all suffer a massive erosion in our privacy for it. There are other ways to deal with crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent [–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Welllllllll, Taler is actually exactly the wrong suggestion for this usecase, because Taler requires all spends to be redeemed from Vendor to Issuer non-anonymously, which gives the Issuer 100% control and say which vendors are allowed, which is exactly the thing Visa and Mastercard are using to exert control. If there were competing Taler networks and Steam supported all of them, that might be okay because one of them might happen to not be dicks, but if there's just one or two then Taler is designed from the ground-up specifically to enable this bad outcome. It's actually one of their features! Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Something like that will kinda work, but using it will flag your transactions if you use it as a business. That's the issue with a lot of these things is that we need to have some kind of balance between privacy and authorities being able to do anything against terrorism etc. And yes you can find terrorists based on transactions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Someone's drunk the "governments only erode our privacy to stop terrorism" coolaid yeesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) No I have seen real world examples of criminals being prosecuted because of what people on my field (accountancy) found during our work. That shits there for a reason. This was company data though, which should be semi transparent anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I never said that it can't be effective, I just don't believe we should all suffer a massive erosion in our privacy for it. There are other ways to deal with crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Someone's drunk the "governments only erode our privacy to stop terrorism" coolaid yeesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) No I have seen real world examples of criminals being prosecuted because of what people on my field (accountancy) found during our work. That shits there for a reason. This was company data though, which should be semi transparent anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I never said that it can't be effective, I just don't believe we should all suffer a massive erosion in our privacy for it. There are other ways to deal with crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) No I have seen real world examples of criminals being prosecuted because of what people on my field (accountancy) found during our work. That shits there for a reason. This was company data though, which should be semi transparent anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I never said that it can't be effective, I just don't believe we should all suffer a massive erosion in our privacy for it. There are other ways to deal with crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I never said that it can't be effective, I just don't believe we should all suffer a massive erosion in our privacy for it. There are other ways to deal with crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level? Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Welllllllll, Taler is actually exactly the wrong suggestion for this usecase, because Taler requires all spends to be redeemed from Vendor to Issuer non-anonymously, which gives the Issuer 100% control and say which vendors are allowed, which is exactly the thing Visa and Mastercard are using to exert control. If there were competing Taler networks and Steam supported all of them, that might be okay because one of them might happen to not be dicks, but if there's just one or two then Taler is designed from the ground-up specifically to enable this bad outcome. It's actually one of their features! Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent