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[–] 10 points 1 day ago* (12 children)

The big thing for me is that he was a US citizen. The president does not have the authority to order the extrajudicial murder of a US citizen. Anwar Al-Awlaki was a US citizen, so were his children, who were also subjected to extrajudicial murder.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    I think that's a pretty sad take, really.

    If he's lucky enough to be born in the US: treat him with knightly virtue and send in delta to extradite him and bring him before the king. If not: treat him like a peasant and just throw his body in the ditch

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    The point is, this is the legal take. Obama broke the law as written in the constitution.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago (9 children)

    Yeah if someone chooses to point to the constitution above basic ethics, I think that's a pretty sad take

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  • [–] 3 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    Laws are ethics that have been debated, voted upon and written down for all to reference.

    A government that does not conform to its own law is weaker for it. This illegal action can now be called out as precident if the president finds it their ethical duty to drone strike another US citizen for potentially false accusations. And wether an accusation is false or not should be determined in a court of law. The ethics of that was heavily debated back before Habeus Corpus was made law in the 1700s after being debated for over 500 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

    Ethics are essentially opinion that vary from person to person and can change on a dime.

    If the next president decides federated social media platforms are clearly a bunch of psychos plotting to kill everyone and it's their ethical duty to drone strike every member and their family, I'd hope the president would obey the law and arrest everyone to be judged in court.

    I'd hope they wouldn't drone strike everyone and say, "Eh, Obama did it, why can't I?

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  • [–] 2 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

    Basic ethics? What's ethical about trying someone in absentia and then blowing up children?

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

    Yeah I suggest you watch just any war documentary and ask yourself the question "where are the courts??" whenever someone gets killed

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

    Yeah I suggest you watch just any war documentary and ask yourself the question "where are the courts??"

    Can you not delineate between a war against a separate government, and a government killing its own civilians without due process?

    And yes..... There are always courts involved in just about any modern conflict. The Nuremberg trials for example kinda cover what should happen when a government participates in extrajudicial murder of their civilians.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago (3 children)

    Can you explain how the Nuremberg trials compare to Obama needing to get a court order before bombing al-Alawi?

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  • [–] 1 point 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Extrajudicial executions of civilians directed by the head of state? Not sure if I could make an easier break down than that......

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