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[–] 14 points 1 day ago (21 children)

why can't we syndicate them out, now, so your kids can actually program?

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  • [+] -22 points 1 day ago (20 children)

    Why would I want my kids to code at this point? AI codes better already. This isn't like John Henry and the steam engine. This is John Henry vs. a space ship.

    Why? That's an easy one. Money. AI does it "better" and faster, according to pointy hair bosses that don't care they've given every employee a nuke without a safety. Love the downvotes. I am working in this biz right now. Believe or don't believe it. It's already coming and practically here. I have not written code in the last 12 months and I am evaluated on how much AI I have used. We are pruning people that are not using it or willing to learn how to use it. You won't stop it. I won't stop it and certainly the government is not going to stop it. We can rage all we want. This is here now. It's not going anywhere.

    AI has better test coverage. Less bugs and vulnerabilities. Way faster. especially when a company uses a proper AI Software Development Lifecycle. Not better than humans by a little. By factors. And is probably the scariest thing in my orbit right now. Every company adopting this is only concerned about beating their competitor. So all notion of safely is completely out the window.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Why would I want my kids to code at this point?

    Because you want your children to learn the value and joy of creative expression? To learn the ability to solve problems -- of any discipline, not just software -- for themselves? To give them the ability to think critically and protect themselves in an increasingly hostile world? To feel the satisfaction and confidence boost of overcoming a difficult challenge?

    I don't know you, I don't even know if you have kids or if this is just a rhetorical argument. But still, you don't value any of your 30 years of experience enough to pass that knowledge on to a new generation? Because that's what you're telling us, and it doesn't have anything to do with AI. That's what we in the business call a You problem. You can feel defeated, that's normal and I sympathize with it, but you can leave your capitulation at the door. Those kids deserve better.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Because you want your children to learn the value and joy of creative expression? To learn the ability to solve problems -- of any discipline, not just software -- for themselves? To give them the ability to think critically and protect themselves in an increasingly hostile world? To feel the satisfaction and confidence boost of overcoming a difficult challenge?

    It is possible to do all of this without needing to teach any coding skills whatsoever. I'd even argue that, given the current state of affairs, teaching these important and valuable life lessons in a way that does not involve software would be the greater value.

    There is a difference between the lesson and the medium. The point that is being made is that software development may not be the best choice as a medium to carry these kinds of lessons going forward. Would you, during the early hay days of the printing press, want to teach your children to take pride in themselves for their hard-won excellence in manual text transcription?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    Well we're already in agreement that programming is merely one medium, but with AI being used as a replacement for just about any form of human expression - audiovisual arts, writing, mathematics, information sciences, etc - all mediums are under the same looming threat. So if we're giving up on one medium, we're gonna be giving up on most of them. And without them, we can't really pass on those lessons. Learning doesn't exist in the abstract, we also have to put those lessons into practice. If OP wasn't a programmer but a musician, let's say, then I'd have the same admittedly harsh reaction. I don't see any reason to doompost about the end of programming, or the end of music, or the end of learning.

    Finally, I don't really know where you're going with the printing press analogy? Like, yes? I want children to take pride in themselves for any skill they practice and enjoy? But the printing press isn't really analogous to AI, for a number of reasons:

    • LLM's, by their nature, produce an output that is of the same type as its inputs: text begets text, images beget images, etc. As such, you can make LLM's generate their own instructions and feed that back into it. As we know from the Claude Code leaks, Anthropic was doing just that, using CC to ask C to work on CC.

    • Printing presses did not create more... printing presses. They created more print. Not even more words, the press itself didn't conjure Martin Luther's 95 theses into existence, it just copied an existing text. Which makes it a useful addition to our ability to create, not an outright replacement.

    • Printing presses were still human operated machines, requiring knowledge of its inner workings to maintain, repair, and operate. They're not agentic, self-sustaining systems. Though you could argue that even AI is not self-sustaining, once its power grid fails. By the by, the printing press didn't threaten global ecological catastrophe all on its own.

    • Printing presses did not, in fact, extinguish the pencil. Schools do still teach kids how to write. Heck, humble brag time, even I get compliments on my penmanship from time to time, and I write in all capital letters!

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 day ago

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/13/ai-companies-rushed-workers-fallout

    https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/shopify-ceo-ai-workplace-staff-horrified-backfire

    While I definitely don't disagree with you that our illustrious CEO's and MBA executives are always looking to get rid of us blood filled cost accounts, it would seem that a lot of companies are finding out that AI isn't the savior they thought it was.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    That sounds like why would I want my kids to learn math. Calculators do it better anyways.

    Why would I want my kids to learn to write. LLMs do it faster anyways.

    Reason schools teach the basics before letting students using the shortcuts is to first develop the foundations needed to know what is going on.

    So even if they aren't doing anything as machines do it they can still oversee what is going on if errors occur, which someone who doesn't know anything at all wouldn't be able to do. And if someome with no understanding without AI can do it then the human isn't needed at all at that point.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    Given how many people fail learning from history, I can see why WasabiWabbit@lemmy.ca decided to betray his class. The foundations of class consciousness doesn't exist. So we’ll continue repeating the poem of history.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (7 children)

    Two questions for you:

    1. What behavior, if any, would you consider appropriate here?
    2. What have you done (other than posting hate-filled comments on Lemmy) to further your cause?
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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)
    1. irt WasabiWabbit or Australian STEM Videogame Challenge?

    other than posting hate-filled comments on Lemmy

    2.a) I refute these claims. 2.b) liberate games

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)
    1. What about WasabiWabbit’s behavior do you claim is in/appropriate here? We just share differences in praxis on how we want to see game development in the future.
    2. I claim I contribute to liberating games, recompiling efforts, modifying, etc.. Osgameclones is one of the many projects I contribute to. RN, I am focusing on APE porting a favorite game of mines.
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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago (3 children)

    I can see why WasabiWabbit@lemmy.ca decided to betray his class.

    So not only a treasonous class traitor, but also an accelerationist without an ounce morality and hope for a future.

    Good luck in foodbanks.

    That's some pretty strong disagreement...

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  • [–] 0 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but not inappropriate behavior, just disappointing. I have class consciousness. People hired in game studios seem are hired based on how class treacherous they are. WasabiWabbit proved he’s not beyond grifting future programming.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago*

    the human isn't needed at all at that point.

    Yes. This is the point they were making. On the current trajectory, and very soon to boot, many tasks — like writing code — will be entirely automated. That is exactly the goal of nearly every corporate player with any skin in this game, and for better or worse, it looks like this will indeed come to pass.

    What value that leaves for human endeavor and understanding in these areas is an important but entirely separate matter.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago

    We are pruning people that are not using it or willing to learn how to use it. You won’t stop it. I won’t stop it and certainly the government is not going to stop it.

    Got it. So not only a treasonous class traitor, but also an accelerationist without an ounce morality and hope for a future.

    Good luck in foodbanks.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 day ago

    Thank you for being the adult in the room. I appreciate it even if others cannot.

    It's really disheartening to see people on here not only consistently fail to understand what is happening in the world around them, but also go on to tar and feather anyone who tries to give them an informed perspective.

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