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[โ€“] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Even tho both are AMAB, a trans woman's biology is quite different from a cis male biology. I mean, the whole reason HRT works is because is biology. I don't have numbers to back this up, but I think medication and surgical history are much more significant factors than gender-assigned-at-birth, those I can see the presence or absence of sex-differentiated organs (both internal and external) could be as relevant as surgical history.

Anyway "trans women are biological males" is certainly wrong, and it is mostly likely a "dog whistle" version of "gender transition is a myth". And, while "trans women are women" might not be full of every possible nuance, as a 4-word phrase it is accurate enough for me.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    A trans woman's biology is quite different from cis men, yes, but it's also not exactly similar to cis women either.

    Even after a full transition, trans people often are in a sort of intermediate state in terms of immune, cardiovascular, and metabolic systems. They're not exactly like their AGAB nor their new sex identity either.

    There's even organ carry over as well. Trans women are the only category of women that can still be at risk for prostate cancer, and trans men are the only category of men that can still be at risk for skenes gland cancer.

    The most honest description is to say that they are in an intermediate sex.

    Even more so, neuroendocrinology is not fully shifted even after transition. The HPG axis in trans women lack ovarian effects, and in trans men they lack testicular effects.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I don't disagree with any of that, but I would say that "trans women are women" is about gender, not sex.

    It's unclear whether sports are segregated on gender or sex lines, but the historical record leans more toward gender segregation than sex segregation. I honestly don't care enough about any sport to really know the correct way to organize a league, but I do want trans persons to be able to participate in public life, including sport, as safely as anyone else. I'd mostly be in favor of no division based on sex or gender, but people that are more interested in sport than I tell me that's bad and unsafe.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    If you were born a male, you better fuckin' tell the ambulance and the hospital before they treat you!

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children)

    I think that is most often true. However, there are risks to being outed if you are stealth and those risks could be more significant than the risks of being treated as the gender you present than as the gender you were assigned an birth.

    The treatment of a broken bone is largely independent of the mix of sex hormones, presence or absence of sex-differentiated organs, or gender presentation now or at the moment of birth, but can still involve an ambulance ride and a hospital visit. I'd hope our medical system would be trans-safe enough that disclosure would be a strict positive, but I don't know that's the case, and I would defer to the patient's judgement about whether to disclose or not for whatever reasons (including but not limited to safety and comfort).

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 5 days ago (1 child)

    I'd trust medical folks to be the least risky to out myself to. Made a pact with myself as a young man to never lie or prevaricate to my doctors. OTOH, I'm a middle-aged, white, cis, male, so I can hardly feel it from the viewpoint of a trans person. Also depends on the area. OTOOH, even here in the deepest South I don't see the medical people I've known and dated to hold that sort of prejudice. They just want to fix you and need the best data to do so.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 5 days ago

    Agreed. I know with mandated reporting it's not necessarily super safe to count on doctor-patient confidentiality, but I still try to be honest with all my medical providers and I know I'm more honest with them than with some blood relations. Also, same here as a 46yo, white, cis, male in Arkansas -- most medical people do it out of a sense of community service (it's not like the big bucks come from here) and try to remain non-judgemental.

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