The contempt Proton is showing for their users is astounding. They not only think people will fall for this transparent act of damage control, but they also have the gall to shift blame onto the users.

Go read the comments. Obvious bots are posting praise and many critical comments are being deleted by the moderators.

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[–] 25 points 6 days ago (19 children)

So where now, any suggestions?
I use proton for email and password management.

I'm happy to pay for a product so long as it isn't lining the pockets of abhorrent people.

Getting real tired of seemingly having to sit down and research who I'm give my money to, can't we just stop being hateful bastards for a while?

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  • [–] 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

    Go piecemeal. Proton is a good deal if you actually use all their services, otherwise it's overpriced.

    For mail, mailbox.org, posteo.de, and fastmail.net seem to have good reputations. They'll all allow you to bring your own domain (edit: not Posteo, my mistake), which I highly recommend so that it'll be easy to switch providers again when whichever one you choose turns to shit (yes, I say when, not if, because I am just that jaded at this point).

    For passwords, there are a lot of choices, but the most future-proof is probably to keep a local Keepass DB and sync it across devices any damn way you want. Bitwarden used to be good but I don't know anymore. They've backed away from open source a bit recently, and I can't even tell at a glance what their free plan offers anymore. Maybe look at https://vaultwarden.com/ instead.

    For VPN and storage...I dunno. There are a lot, and most of them seem kind of shady tbh. I'd be interested in hearing others' advice on this since I'm not sure what's good these days.

    Edit: I'd REALLY like to hear recommendations for Docs and especially Sheets. Everything else I've used is a UX nightmare, particularly on mobile.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (8 children)

    Do it yourself is really the only way. Password management yourself is easy, email self hosting...not as much. But it is do-able.

    The email middle ground is using your own domain and finding a decent host that runs an Imap email server. But who that is these days is a guess.

    Some of the long time mostly trusted hosts have begun to add AI and raise prices.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago* (3 children)

    Getting your own domain is the important part. If you're ever unhappy with your provider you just swap your DNS records and boom, move it to the new provider in seconds.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I can't find a domain name I like that isn't annoying to try to tell people 😭 My first world problems are insurmountable.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    How would you suggest this password management is done and synced across devices?

    I know of KeePass, though haven't looked into it too closely.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    I never understood why someone would use a 3rd party for "password management"

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (3 children)

    You wrote your own password manager? Bold, as its a vault that contains your whole digital life and cryptography is notoriously easy to fuck up.

    Even things like keepass are 3rd party password managers. You have an issue with a well audited, decades old, "the vault is an encrypted local file," 3rd party password manager as well?

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