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[–] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

Now we just need a cheap sustainable storage medium for all that solar power and we're golden. Anyone?

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  • [–] [S] 38 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Batteries would like a word. They’re already storing solar power, getting cheaper, and improving at a pace nuclear construction schedules can only dream of. For longer gaps, pumped hydro and thermal storage can pitch in. Turns out the answer isn’t one magical box, but a bunch of technologies that actually exist.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Batteries for grid storage also don't need to be compact or lightweight. High voltage infrastructure already has a lot of space where fossil fuel power plants used to be in formerly heavily industrialised places in Europe, we can make batteries the size of villages and not care about land use…

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    From what I know, for large scale solar farms, batteries arent there yet. The maintainance and replacement costs cut into the money saved by using solar by quite a lot.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    From what I know there are many many many such projects in the permit phase in Germany, all of them run on capitalist interest without state funding. The only thing between now and them getting build is our government which seems to prefer a 180° turn into the fossil age.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Not enough to reduce the benefits to zero and that's all we need. As improvements come in you can upgrade the batteries over time and get better and better margins. But the system is already good enough for deployment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (6 children)

    Adding to the other answer, for longer lulls in energy generation, the power can be used to create hydrogen gas that can be burnt in gas plants.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    So, why isn't everybody building hydrogen burning generators?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Right, because hydrogen is not working. It's expensive to produce but most importantly incredibly hard to store and very dangerous if it catches fire.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Because hydrogen-ready power plants are not the same as natural gas power plants, as hydrogen gas is not a drop-in replacement for natural gas. And right now, when natural gas is still relatively cheap and renewable energy is not yet absolutely dominating the energy mix, politicians are fearing the cost of building the infrastructure for generating, transporting, storing and burning hydrogen gas.

    In the future, hydrogen gas plants promise to be the best fit to pair renewable energy with, but right now the cost of it and the availability of fossil fuels do not force the hand of the people responsible for planning the future of the energy grid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    In the distant future, I see purely renewables backed by hydrogen, and nothing else. But not in our lifetime. Over produce with renewables everywhere, and store the excess by using it to produce hydrogen, then store the hydrogen to power anything when renewables isn't viable. The development and build out of renewables has started, but it'll be a long time time will over produce, and the build out and development of hydrogen hasn't really started yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    That's an argument from 2017. Today the Technologies are there, and we can build it on scale. Battery for short term, green gas for the longer term.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Battery tech has been there for at least half a decade. Many of Australia's houses have solar (so much so that we have too much of it during the day so it's free), and an ever increasing number have batteries. Many don't need to use grid power ever. It's not hard. The problem has been fixed.

    As more EVs do V2G connections, that will get even less demand. The grid of the future is becoming a lot more decentralised and based off solar and batteries

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Quite a broad statement to make globally.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Who says I was making a global statement? I was talking about Australia as a specific example. Let's not be reading things that aren't there now.

    However, countries that have access to vast areas of sunlight, like those in naturally desert or savannah biomes could and should use solar as an option - and even those that don't, should supplement their power production with it too. If every roof had solar worldwide, be that home or warehouse/factory, it'd be a huge reduction in the amount of electricity that needed to be provided by a centralised electricity provider.

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