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furries in shambles (media.piefed.zip)
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screenshot of a cloudflare screen blocking access to pawb.social, the furry instance, that asks the visitor to prove they’re human
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[–] 60 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

An argument I overheard recently:

"...I think he's a furry."

"Well, furries are people too."

"No, Dave, I'm pretty sure they're not, that's the whole point."

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Well, "people" and "humans" aren't the same thing. One's a subset of the other.

    Problem with getting too philosophical here is that someday soon the bots might also count as a subset. Then things get really complicated.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    someday soon the bots might also count as a subset

    Haha, fuck no.

    If you mean LLMs, you should give anything Sam Altman says about AGI about as much credence as you give Elon Musk talking about self driving cars. If you mean sapient Fediverse users (fill in the blanks there) who identify as robots, they tend to get really angry if you refer to them as people.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    I think in fantasy you do have what can only be called non-human people. The definition for the word "person" tends to include "human," but only because in real life human persons are the only ones that are known to exist.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Sadly, in the US, we have non-human persons. They're called corporations, and for the moment they have more rights than humans do.

    Furries count as human persons, even if they identify as another kind of beastie.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I've had enough non-human friends that I extend the definition to other animals. I've personally known dogs and cats that display remarkable personality and emotional intelligence, not to mention all the great examples of non-human animal communication and love available online. Animals are such people, when you get to know them.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Same, personhood isn’t limited to humans. If you can be a best friend or confidant or true co-companion that is mutually beneficial and mutually understood, that’s all I need to know there’s a person in there. I’ll even extend it to other animals that exhibit complex thought, considerations, relflective behavior, but I don’t push that on other human people, if they want to join me in doing so, they’re my kind of people. The more the merrier. I feel bad for people who can’t see animals that earned their friendship as fiends, as people.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    If furries aren't people; Then furries fucking animals isn't beastiality.

    This is a very slippery slope. 😓

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Furries who engage in erotic furry play (sometimes called yiffing ) partner with other furries, not with actual animals.

    Anyway, they are persons and have rights, although the MAGA movement would very much like to strip them of their rights, regard them as mentally ill and disabled, and confine them to institutions. But then, MAGA wants to strip rights of anyone who isn't MAGA.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    As a furry, let me assure you that while the furry fandom is incredibly broad and covers a wide range of interests with surprisingly little overlap, perhaps the one thing that unites all of us is how much we despise zoophiles.

    If you'd like to see proof of this, look up Hypnotist Sappho.

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