Under new rules, the EU border agency will be allowed to transfer migrants between third countries, expanding its operations beyond Europe and facilitating deportations from return hubs.

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[–] 19 points 1 week ago* (19 children)

The idea that adopting right-wing policies will weaken the far right is a wild theory. It just legitimizes their positions.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    No, it undermines their position on immigration, their top issue. On other issues, people might not agree with them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Sure, mine away until your position is indistinguishable from theirs. That'll show them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (6 children)

    No, on immigration the AfD is more extreme.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    Well, they will form a coalition with the conservatives in the future so let's see what degree of xenophobia they will reach.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    But the CDU is adopting a harder stance on immigration. This might undermine support for the AfD.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Sure, they try that for a couple of years now. The only support they undermine is the one they get. They're in steady decline. Good riddance.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    No, the article is about new powers Frontex has been given to control immigration.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    Illegal migration has been the wedge used by fascist Russia to split Western unity. Quite successfully. Outdated migration policies helped conflate good migration with bad, and the unwillingness to distinguish the two let the issue fester and drive the whole world toward fascism. Russia knew what they are doing, and they are winning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    I think you're giving Russia too much credit here. The EU is making its own choices and expanding Frontex's powers to facilitate deportations through third countries is another step towards fortifying Fortress Europe. People fleeing war or poverty shouldn't have to prove they're the right kind of migrants to deserve humane treatment.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    This planet cannot sustain 8billion+ people. Poverty and war cannot be fixed by moving everybody into Western countries. Unfortunately, fewer people are needed. The fascists have long recognized this, and they want to keep people on a racial basis. They are having their way because Liberal Democracies failed to keep people on a behavioral basis. It is wrong to discriminate by birth. It is also wrong to not discriminate by behavior.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It can already. It's not because it's not always profitable and we live in capitalism. There are countless studies to support this. Degrowth is kind of a cringe theory as well.

    What are you talking about regarding behavior? Do you think frontex will do a test at the border?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago*

    Sustainability, decent QOL, high population. Pick two. I pick the first two. Studies usually pick the first and the last. Arguable what "decent" is, but definitely more than "you're not starving to death and you have some kind of roof above your head". Or they pick the last 2, and pretend that we can science our way into prosperity. Current agricultural methods are not long term sustainable, regardless if profit motivated or not. Before fertilizers, yields were much lower. But sustainable. But fertilizers and industrial agriculture screw up the soil long term. Also fertilizers need to be produced, often from non-renewing sources. Etc.

    I have no comment on Frontex. They are probably a too late attempt to fix something that should have been fixed 50+ years ago.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Not when the far-left position is rejected by vast majority of people. About 90% of Spaniards disapproved with how the government handled the crisis in Ceuta. The far-left Sumar party was from the beginning against deportations but even left-wing PSEO could see that this positions is impossible to defend and ended up expelling all the migrants.

    Some of the left-wing policies go so far left that most people reject them and the only way to weaken far right is to take a step back. Interesting read.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't think a crisis at the border justifies further fortifying Fortress Europe. And just because people are unhappy with how a crisis is handled doesn't mean they reject a more humane migration policy.

    As for the article, of course Islamist homophobia is a problem. But voting AfD over it seems pretty short-sighted to me. The AfD is happy to use gay rights as a tool against migrants but that doesn't mean they actually care about protecting queer people. There's a very real possibility that once migrants are no longer the main target, queer people will be back in the firing line.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I'm not arguing for or against any of those positions here. I'm showing how some of the left-wing positions are so unpopular that yes, adapting more centrist (close to the right) position is actually beneficial for the left. Basically, most of the time left-wing politicians are trying to adopt right wing positions hoping that they will steal some votes from the right (which never works) but sometimes, common sense policy is actually closer to the center because the far-left lost touch with reality on some issues.

    Spanish government tends to run to the left to mobilize voters (exception in Europe). They granted amnesty to all the migrants in Spain very recently which puts them to the left of pretty much all the other countries in Europe but even they will not go as far left as Sumar would like because they know it's not what vast majority of voters (both on the right and left) want. EU sees the same thing.

    P.S. As another example, the far-left would say that saying "Islamist homophobia is a problem" is racist and Islamophobic so even you adapted more centrist position here.

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