Yeah closest bortle 4 is a two hour drive away haha, I'm not even near a big city but there a bunch of big cities clustered where I am so the light bleed goes far.

I was in a bortle 4 zone like a year or two ago visiting family and I was suprised to find out that you actually need a flashlight to walk around outside at night whereas here in bottle 8 you can see in foresty areas without flashlights and when the full moon is out it is downright bright outside, I'm on the Midwest of the us btw so not even near where you get low amounts of seasonal light shift.