Like it’s not only campists who use the terminology “blue MAGA”. Anarchists and other non-campist revolutionaries rightly use the terminology (although I would personally not label someone reluctantly going to the polls as “Blue MAGA”; I would use that term for someone more emphatic and supportive of the policies that liberal politicians are responsible for).

I may be misusing the term? My understanding (gained entirely through context in posts like this discussion - so if it was misused in those cases, then I'm parroting an error) is that it's kind of false flag effort to lure anyone left of the fascists currently running the country to dispersing their support to a wider array of easier-to-defeat opponents. Divide and conquer kinda situation. Idk if there's any kind of 'coined' meaning, I thought it was just internet slang.

Like can you see where I’m coming from here? If you really didn’t mean to call all anti-electoralists neo-nazis then… okay I guess, but that’s not how I read it.

I do see where your coming from. And frankly I agree with a lot of it, which is why the idea of 'blue MAGA' (or whatever we're calling the shit I described above) is getting me so worked up: it's deceptive, with the goal of tricking actually decent people into supporting something awful.

In any case -- All anti-electoralists? certainly not. Anti-electoralism isn't what I have an issue with. You're sick of being forced to choose any evil, lesser or otherwise. I get the fuck out of that. The state of our elections is abysmal, in which "vote for me because I'm not the other guy" is often the literal only selling point. It's exhausting, it doesn't work, it needs to go away. The shitty reality is that we're in that system whether we like it or not; and the options presented within are NOT equal - one of those options of going full Nazi right now, and when I call MAGA Nazis, I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm saying they're actually acting like Nazis. If we're a given any power at all that be used against Nazis, we should use it whether or not we approve of the system it exists in.

In short, I agree with your disapproval of the process; it's shit. I disagree with the notion that participating in voting is equal to supporting that system. We (collectively) need to be more strategic with our resources. Vote for the least shit option within a shit system; riot to break the system and reform it into something that's actually humane.

recognized that some hierarchies are unacceptable while not (yet?) realizing that the State is inherently one such hierarchy

I kinda got ahead of myself with the previous paragraphs, but basically the same spiel here. There's no shame in participating in a system that you're stuck in anyway, especially if that participation can nudge it away from Nazism.

The campists you’re running into here are probably not Trump supporters.

...I mean, hopefully not. I try to give anyone the benefit of the doubt by default (although that's feeling increasingly naive). Yourself included. What I have to question though, is what's the goal? Especially here - Lemmy seems to be a mostly left-leaning space, so spreading notions of a false equivalence between Trump/his mini-Nazis, with is going to detract from the effort to oppose him. And even if you intend to engage in other more impactful, high-risk-high-reward activism, why skip the vote? Voting is way less effort and way less risk, and I can't stress this enough, doesn't stop you from any other action.

It’s just that…“America bad” is a correct answer 99% of the time, and 99% is good enough for some people to round it up to 100%. (And even in the 0.1% where it’s not the correct answer…it is true because America is bad, it’s just not a helpful answer.) IMO campism is a cognitive distortion, but it’s understandable where it comes from.

America bad. I get it. Let's maybe try to make it not bad. Or at least less bad to start with. Discouraging voter turnout isn't going to accomplish that.

Edit - I just saw the mod post here warning against soap-boxing about voting, which is 100% what you and I are doing. We should probably move this conversation to PMs if you want to keep it rolling. We're getting way outside the scope of what I posted in LSC.

I "clocked" you as having nothing but venom unless someone agrees with you. Then I read your screed against voting and I knew what you are. Snake doesn't cover it.