I mean I disagree on the premise. There is an extreme ai is great side and an extreme ai is crap side. Both sides take the middle takes as being the other extreme. Many many memebers of the federation have nuanced takes and they evolve. I initially was disapointed with llms and was worried about their energy usage. Since then they have improved and like all technology they are likely to continue to improve. For what they do I no longer think they necessarily use to much energy. The issue is they make it to easy to do energy intensive things. Non artists are throwing up crap because they can and non coders are throwing up crap because they can. Much of it has no real value to society. I mean even when professionals who spent a long time learing did these things very often the majority of output had little real value. Now its overwelmingly so. Part of the reason for this is the subsidizing of the whole thing. To make matters worse business practices are integrating such that they are losing quality and efficiency. Don't get me wrong this has been going on at a slower pace before the llms. Given global warming this massive use of energy and the fast rate of expansion is not good. Anyway a super pro ai person only sees the negative from my view and would look at it as anti ai and super anti ai folks only see the positive and would look at it as pro ai. It really reflects the extreme right/left in politics where you see something similar. Its all tribalism really.