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[–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I find the kind of absolutism found in the headline, extremely unhelpful, not to mention total horse shit.

“Liberals” (and I’m not even getting into what people here defined as “liberals”) absolutely can confront capitalism in order to address environmental concerns, they just don’t like to and find it very difficult. But it is absolutely possible, and, with enough cajoling, absolutely will do so.

This “us versus them” attitude, and this level of absolute defeatism only makes the job much more difficult for everyone. Instead, I suggest we all focus on how to get the job done rather than focusing on all of the barriers in our way.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You don't want to get into definitions because it makes your entire point moot. Liberals are capitalism. Its the driving force of liberalism. They go hand in hand. The liberal revolutions were capitalist revolutions. This is an inescapable fact. The most core component of liberalism is private property, which is what capitalism is built on.

    Liberals will never abandon capitalism because they are capitalism.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    It also doesn't help that it seems to conveniently forget that the fossil fuel industry is an international cartel. It breaks capitalism by virtue that it can control its entire market and a great many markets (and governments) to which it's connected.

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    You do not understand capitalism very well if you think cartels are abberant.

    They do not break capitalism.

    They are capitalism.

    Either oligopolies or monopolies are the theoretical end point of basically any possible unregulated capitalist market structure given enough time, or enough corruption ('subsidies').

    If you think thats not correct, please do tell me how global financial markets work.

    I'm sure its just very close to that theoretical idea of perfect competition and a near infinite number of nearly equillvalent actors, right?

    And money itself, currency, definitely not like a cartel, I'm sure.

    Greatest trick the devil pulled on you was just telling you a childish fantasy was reality, and then you just kept on liking that idea, because it made for simple heroes and simple villains.

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