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Armored assaults aren’t dead. Robots got the credit, but it was Ukrainian infantry in armored trucks that reversed a year of Russian gains near Lyman (euromaidanpress.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/72208315

Russia spent 18 months building its salient toward Sloviansk; Ukraine took much of it back in three. By 30 September, three of four planned phases in, the operation had returned 176 sq km to Ukrainian control, taken 250 Russian prisoners, and cost Russia more than 5,000 killed and wounded, Ukraine's presidential office said. It also foiled a Russian plan to break into the rear of the Sloviansk-Kramatorsk urban area, the office said.

Defying critics who insisted vehicles couldn't possibly survive in the drone-patrolled gray zone, the 3rd Army Corps repeatedly deployed mechanized forces as it counterattacked across a roughly 100 sq km salient the Russian 20th and 25th Combined Arms Armies had extended toward Sloviansk, one of the last two big free cities in Donetsk Oblast.

Maneuvering for months under a veil of secrecy, the 3rd Army Corps found and exploited gaps along the flanks of the 20th and 25th CAAs, ultimately breaking into the Russian armies' rears and forcing them to pull back across the Zherebets River in order to avoid encirclement.

Human Beings in armored vehicles NOT Robots, do you "AI and drones beat everything" techbro armchair generals in the back hear that? Do we need to keep repeating it? Yes? It is called Combined Arms for a reason.

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[–] -4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

in fact the entire point of mechanized armored maneuver is to enclose large swaths of enemy fighters

So do tell, genius - what happens to those "large swathes of enemy fighters" after you've enclosed them, eh?

it is why they have lost this war.

I've been hearing that since the start of this war... are you sure you're correct this time?

was ernestly offer food and shelter to get the russian fighters to surrender,

Really? If that's true... why so few POWs this time around?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 child)

    in fact the entire point of mechanized armored maneuver is to enclose large swaths of enemy fighters

    So do tell, genius - what happens to those “large swathes of enemy fighters” after you’ve enclosed them, eh?

    These are baby questions about war, go do some basic reading about it.

    What happens is hopefully for everyone's sake they surrender.

    Maneuver seeks to inflict losses indirectly by envelopment, encirclement and disruption, while minimizing the need to engage in frontal combat. In contrast to attrition warfare where strength tends to be applied against strength, maneuver warfare attempts to apply strength against weakness in order to accomplish the mission.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuver_warfare

    A common thread runs through these critiques: the relationship between tactics and victory. The maneuver versus attrition dichotomy treats some tactics as inherently bad and others as inherently good. What matters is whether tactics can translate to strategic effect that serves to achieve the political end state, a relationship rendered opaque by the imposition of the operational level of war. Finally, the actions after tactical victory is achieved determine strategic effects. Tactical victory is insufficient as an end state.

    https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/maneuver-warfare-a-defense/

    If Ukraine were to start slaughtering surrounded, defeated, starving russian fighters not only would it be a war crime, it would also NOT break the fighting will of russians and russian fighters, it would do the opposite and strengthen their resolve to fight to the bitter pointless end, that is why Ukraine isn't doing it... on top of it being inhumane and also resulting in traumatizing their own soldiers.

    None of this is to say Ukraine is perfect, war is a disgusting thing and everything gets messy, but as a pattern no, Ukraine is not needlessly killing russians when they attempt to surrender that would backfire spectacularly for Ukraine on so many levels it makes my head hurt. I have also never seen credible evidence Ukraine is systematically mistreating their prisoners of war, conducting genocide and human rights crimes against occupied territories nor systematically targetting russian civilians in acts of mass terror that do nothing to change the frontline reality russia is losing... all things it has been well established russia is doing by independent international entities.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 weeks ago

    These are baby questions about war

    Clyde... I knew the difference between a taught and a slack tripwire before your father was done with potty training, and long, long before you decided to learn about these things by playing Call Of Duty.

    Okay?

    What happens is hopefully for everyone’s sake they surrender.

    So you're trying to claim Putin achieved something that neither Trotsky nor Stalin could achieve, eh? Turning Russians into the non-surrendering automatons that Western propaganda has always pretended they were?

    That's quite the claim... methinks Putin would be quite flattered by it.

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