Andy Burnham has said Russia did interfere with the Brexit referendum and warned that similar activities were taking place in France and Germany.

The prime minister told The Rest is Politics podcast that upon arriving in No 10, he had asked about possible Russian interference in the 2016 vote, adding: "I've had the clear answer that, yes, there was."

"I think we've been too much on the back foot on that actually and we haven't informed people sufficiently about the extent to which people are seeking to disrupt the political process from overseas," he added.

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[–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Russia interfered AND NOBODY ELSE DID!!!!

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (9 children)

    What's your point? AFAIK the debate is not about what "nobody else did", but the fact that Russia heavily influenced the debate in UK on a democratic election. Something that is against international law. It is pretty obvious that Farage was financed by Russia.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Fuck Russia but I think it is pretty clear that the big aggressor is the USA, and when they interfere then really nobody cares.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Interference from USA regarding the Brexit referendum was minimal and nothing compared to Russia.
    As I mentioned Farage was financed by Russia, and it has also been very clear that Boris Johnson has close Russian ties.
    And those were the two most significant and well funded proponents for Brexit.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    UK cannot accuse America of interfering because they are allies and UK needs US more than US needs UK

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Yes, foreign interference in an election of a sovereign country is against international law.
    Europe also don't meddle in US elections for the same reason. It's also very much against democratic principles.
    Something USA unfortunately has lost all respect for, so they have interfered multiple times in European elections. Most notably Germany and Hungary, since Trump became president.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Something that is against international law.

    The point is that this is a double standard. It's hypocritical misdirection. Hiding the actual causes for the shit we're in. It's neoliberal and US empire propaganda.

    The more complex point would be that our social media networks are unmoderated spaces owned and operated for profit and political power. It should be independent, meaning the workers and users have some democratic input on how it operates and how well it is moderated. This is the root cause - you cannot operate a system on "greed is good and nothing else is allowed" and expect good outcomes. You cannot. It's a lie. It makes assholes out of all of us. A whole generation of people has been trained like dogs from social media that is why even in moderated space like lemmy you see this bullshit. Everyone fucking clapping like seals: "Yes Russia bad! Kill Russia and everything will be good again! Just one more coup in South or Central America!"

    Against international law lol. Despicable.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Why do you need to make Russian interference into US propaganda?
    You sound like a tankie when you do that.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm saying blaming the decline of the west mainly on Russian disinfo is propaganda.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's a straw man, nobody is claiming that.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    OP blames one party for brexit without mentioning any other influence.

    So no, it's not a strawman. I'm constantly shocked by the low quality and complete failure to understand basic logic by most lemmy posters. Or maybe you're being deliberately obtuse.

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