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Fuck the current administration and remember to VOTE if you're in the USA (lemmy.world)
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I'm getting fucking sick of this orange fuck lying and causing the United States to fall behind. END THE TARIFFS. If you don't vote you're a part of the problem.

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[–] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

I agree with your sentiment, but it wont stop the US from falling behind. The damage has been done, the US is not trustworthy anymore, and this will not change just because Trump becomes a lame duck.

We, the other countries in this world, cannot put our trust in another country that might change allegiance every few years. Trump is not a cause, he is a symptom of a deeply rotten, racist and bigoted system that we (we as in the international community) cannot accept as a risk. And we do not expect that you actually fix anything if Trump is gone - the issue with your country is that even when you stated that state and religion are to be separated, you instead installed a civic religion which is just as bad as any other religion on earth, and just as resistant to change as any other fundamentalist cult. The US are a fundamentalist terrorstate, and the current expression of this state might change in the blink of an eye.

We won't engage with that crap if we all can help it.

Edit: i have hit some USians deep in the balls. Fine by me. It is to be expected. American Exceptionalism does not cope well with the Reality that they are the bad guys, and they have been for a long time. Putting up a mirror to their fucked up Nazi-like internal organization based on an racist ideology that they kept conserved after slavery was outlawed is an important thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    American - can't disagree with any of that. We can't pull a "we're sorry" this time like we did after GWB (some of you are probably too young to remember that).

    I will remind the rest of you that it can happen to you just as easily, maybe is already. Stay alert.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    I am aware. The right wing parties (funded by the same forces that are financing the republicans) are doing their best to fracture europe. Our systems are more resilient, and our populace a lot less brainwashed, which makes me hope that we might resist this storm. But there is no guarantee.

    Big difference is that even when Europe fractures, i can't even imagine that we might just drop the institution of the EU as a whole or go to war with each other. For the last part there is absolutely no public support in the european populace, outside of a few countries that are internally fractured already, which might cause civil war in the most tensioned countries.

    Edit: on the other hand, i can easily imagine a civil war in the US over the future of the country. The culture wars crap has been forced into the minds of the easily manipulated with limited life experience, and it might take a bloody conflict to put the ghost of the confederacy finally into their unnamed graves where they belong.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It Can't Happen Here (This Time)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I didn't say that. I said that the probability of european countries attacking each other is fucking low, and that is because we have worked together for decades now, which is unprecedented in the history of Europe. There is no real animosity between european states, in contrast to the very real and intense animosity between red and blue states in the US. We are also dependent on interstate trade because of the common marketplace, and every state in this union is very aware about the fact that losing access to this common market will spell economical doom on them. Add this to the fact that the militaries in Europe are currently very much occupied to make sure they do not get crushed by russian aggression, and you have a pretty solid block of states that have no interest into going to war with each other.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    You're not wrong.

    I remember 25 years ago, sitting out the national anthem at a college football game and some asshole from Texas threatening to knock me out. 9/11 had just happened and the country was neck deep in a performative patriotic mourning ritual.

    But I knew where this was headed, and I wasn't wrong. Voting for the red team or the blue team doesn't matter. Voting gives us no meaningful power nationally.

    There's still good happening on the local level, at least, but that doesn't make much difference for you all outside the US.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    They still cling to the image of the US as the great protector, while the rest of the world has realized that they have to become independent from them to make sure they are safe. An US which changes allegiance on a whim depending on a vote every few years cannot be a stable ally, and much less a protector. We have to be self-sufficient, and also able to protect ourselves from our previous protectors, because they are not to be relied upon - in reality they might be the biggest aggressor we have to defend against because of their megalomania.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ok. But not voting will make it all worse.

    So...like OP said........

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    This is not what i meant. I said that even if you vote, the restructuring of the world has started, and your elections won't change that anymore. I fully advocate for voting to get this crony administration kicked out, but the place of the US in the world that it had before has been not only left empty, but it has been removed alltogether.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Without knowing what country you’re from, I can still guarantee that a shift towards the right wing fascist movement is a global problem. Whatever is happening in the US can easily happen elsewhere, and in some cases, has already started in Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Meh, people’s memory is short. After four or eight years of another Barack Obama type, the world will being seeing us in that light again. America will continue to be an economic and cultural powerhouse, because the rest of you are, by comparison, so listless and unproductive. Only China can compete economically, but they have zero cultural motion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    We are not economically as powerful as the US, but that is mainly caused by decades of the petrodollar. The hostility versus science in general in the US has reached a new height, which already caused a massive brain drain. The damage to federal institutions will take decades to fix if y'all ever get together long enough to even start doing so, and the next "dear leader" in that timeframe can wreck any progress you made to recuperation what you've lost.

    Your countries voting decisions have destroyed trust into your democratic nature and into how well your institutions are equipped to deal with a traitor like Trump (hint: they aren't, not one bit, and it has been this way since Nixon and Reagan). The worst damage that has been dealt are the attacks on NATO and the absolute disregard for the territorial integrity of your allies. This is something we CAN'T forget, because it means you left behind the structure that gave your place in the world in the first place: a strong military and economic pact between the US and Europe.

    The issues shown up by Trump do not go away when he goes away. Europe in general places a lot of importance into stability between neighbours, thanks to the permanent state of war we have been in for most of our history.

    The USA isn't stable, and it won't without it being the result of a civil war, thanks to your civic religion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    You might want to hold off a few more weeks before attempting to predict the future. MAGA is crashing and burning fast right now.

    As for democracy itself, it’s looking like it’s going to survive here. Trump and co. don’t have the competency or work ethic for a real takeover. When they’re finally out (coming soon), yes, we need more laws and fewer “norms,” and I think Democrats have finally gotten that message in a way that the Biden administration failed to.

    Regarding NATO, the EU, etc., you’re really underestimating how short memories can be and how fast perceptions change. The EU would be relieved and eager to accept a sane, normal America again. They don’t want to spend money they don’t have on defense, and they can’t coordinate for shit when it comes to threat response. Their failure in Ukraine is just as shameful as ours.

    The brain drain issue is real and sad, but like tourism, it can and will reverse just as quickly.

    Of course there will be permanent damage to America from the Trump era, but it’s almost over and it wasn’t actually catastrophic in the sense of “America is on an inevitable trajectory of permanent decline” the way some ML and anarchist commenters on Lemmy would like to believe. Trends can be reversed, and when this one is, America will still be starting from the strongest position in the world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    MAGA is just one expression of the rot that has accumulated. The Tea Party also crashed and burned, and then simply transmuted into MAGA, and the next populist rat catcher in the fangs of the billionaires will be selected even before Trump is gone.

    The real takeover is already completed. Your democratic institutions have been gutted and made into tools for the executive (outside of the central bank, but they are working hard on that), your supreme court infiltrated, your congress and senate utterly unable to reign in the executive. Your military has been "cleansed" of people who might resist. Your media is fighting for their lives against the FCC who is getting weaponized against them, or they have already surrendered or were belonging to the billionaires in the first place.

    There is not much left of anything that made your country great, because all of these are signs of an autocracy, not a democracy. The US are going the same way as Russia did - a democracy on paper, while not representing that in any real way.

    And because of all of this Europe will not forget this. Yes, we do not actually want to increase military spending, but it is happening in the largest scale Europe has ever done this outside of WW2 (Perun has a great video regarding this, where a) Europe is supporting Ukraine with more Money than the US now b) after a ramping up-time of a few years military spending is now bigger and growing faster than anything russia can accomplish even with a wartime economy.) Our "failure" as such is that the LNG deliveries from Russia will still go on until next year (13% of EU LNG still comes from Russia this year) and that there is no political will to put boots on the ground, which is hard to sell to the populace.

    And i would not bet even a cent on that you are out of Trumps claws. He will for sure try to get a 3rd term, regardless of what your constitution says, and he has a supreme court that will ensure that, just as they ensured that he is pretty much untouchable. The decline will not be catastrophic for now, but the US's place in the world is not left empty, it is gone - no other country can take that risk anymore after the US threats against other sovereign states, the meddling in South America and the buddying-up to Putin.

    Edit: Goddamn, even Canada prefers to deal with the EU rather than with their southern neighbour, and they will also not forget the threats against their sovereignity for a long, long time. The current rerouting of trade routes will not stop regardless of your midterms.

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