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Thomas, no! (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

It's a cherry-picked example if I ever saw one, I could just as well go and point at Wilberforce to underline early 19th century attitudes to slavery and I'd be making the same error as this.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    You cannot use the term "cherry-picked" to refer to a man who is such a prominent cultural icon. His art captured the essence of an era.

    It's even more valid when taken in light of more recent wars of colonial aggression involving the UK in which the terminology and lies used mirror the justifications of the 19th century. The behavior and attitude of the UK government towards former colonies when it comes to the topic of reparations and the belated return of stolen artifacts is no different now as it was when the enslaved peoples of the West Indies were granted their "freedom"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Kipling has been subject of debate since the height of his career. it would be inaccurate to claim he represented unchallenged universal attitudes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Who said anything about "universal"?

    The views of the Anglican church have been debated for centuries that doesn't negate their power and influence. Theirs was very much the voice of the establishment, ala Kipling.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Nor can you select the worst examples of someone else's country to defend America's conduct on patriotic grounds which is blatantly what's happening here.

    There's a massive Americentrism problem in the wider West that both the US left and right wingers absolutely hate being challenged, they are exactly alike on this issue as far as I am concerned.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Who here is defending America?

    Reminding the world that Britain has done a lot of evil and exposing how contemporary Brits justify said evil acts does not equate to defending America.

    Some of us can walk and chew gum simultaneously. Cute deflection though.

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