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Green party drops longstanding opposition to nuclear power (www.theguardian.com)
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The motion, adopted at conference, removes a “blanket opposition to nuclear fission” and instead commits the Green party of England and Wales to assessing nuclear projects alongside other low-carbon technologies.

Its electricity generation policy still prioritises offshore wind, onshore wind and rooftop solar as the primary sources of electricity, but allows elected representatives to support new nuclear reactors on a case-by-case basis.

This was one or the few areas I didn't align with the Green Party before, as I believe that a bit of nuclear is kind of necessary to help round out less consistent energy sources as things stand. I think this is a reasonable stance.

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[–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I see a lot of old assumptions about fission here, but aren’t startups trying to make new reactors modular and quicker to assemble? Some even made in factories and transported to the site?

I wouldn’t stand in the way of that. It’ll get bought if it makes sense.

…Now. Fusion?

I think that’s a money black hole.

It’s cool in theory, kinda like living in space is cool in theory, but it solves problems that really aren’t that bad (waste storage, uranium supply), leaves bad problems unsolved or worse than fission (like higher neutron flux, capital costs), all for a stupendous amount of research money into something that won’t be ready anytime soon.

I’m sorry, but fusion didn’t work out like we hoped; stop funding it, dump that money into renewables like solar. Use those ignition masers for geothermal drilling, as some are already trying to do.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I think you're missing the point of fusion research. The goal isn't to find the power source of this decade or next, but to find the power source for the future. Fusion will be critical for the power demands of science and space exploration. Renewables are great for large populations, but not when you use the power demands of a city in a single building. Fusion makes fuel costs non-existent, and enables refueling of spacecraft from any source of hydrogen, which is abundant. There are still many problems to solve, but that's why it's being researched. Anyone selling fusion as the solution for climate change or to replace fossil fuels is a grifter or a shill.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Well, yeah, I agree with that.

    But I’d argue that it draws from the same limited funding pool as renewables and other climate-important research.

    The latter is urgent. We may not get to the point of effectively utilizing fusion unless we stabilize the planet, and the damage would be priceless. So if we have to trade one for the other, I’d say the bulk of funding should be diverted away from fusion and towards faster solutions, ones more immediately cost competitive with oil.

    It’s not that we shouldn’t research it, eventually. There’s lots of long horizon concerns. But factoring in the time horizon is very important, and reducing emissions is needed yesterday.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    The funding for fusion and renewables research don't really overlap. The renewables technology is already ready, it's just adoption that needs to take place. Fusion is nowhere near adoption, and the funding for that is the same type of funding going towards space flight and CERN. Society is more than capable of adapting renewables right now, the hold up isn't fusion research or nuclear, but fossil fuel giants and their immense financial and lobbying capacity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    But more research into renewables (new solar cells, turbine designs, geothermal drilling techniques and such) makes them even more cost competitive, which puts immense pressure on fossil fuels. That highly experimental stuff competes with fusion for funding, and is something manufacturers aren’t necessarily able to pursue.

    Renewables are of course cheaper in some cases, but if renewables were drastically cheaper with breakthroughs, I think lobbying would only get fossil fuel companies so far.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The modular ("village") reactors don't really exist outside of test facilities. China has one (maybe two) which they claim are operational and powering a local city but there's not enough evidence to know whether it's true or not. Lots of money being pumped into "research" - especially in UK - but not much to show for it. I suspect much is a scam.

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