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Capitalism is not Left (quokk.au)
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[–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

So your belief is that you have to choose between either voting or direct action?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    You can waste your time reregistering to vote and demolish deathcamps. But Democrats will arrest you for the latter.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    1. The Republicans don't want Leftists or Democrats to vote, which I guess is a position you can find common ground with them on.

    2. Not sure what police cooperating with the federal gestapo has to do with voting or not voting, but I guess maybe don't give the thin blue line party a free victory?

    3. Again, the REPUBLICAN gestapo doing gestapo shit. (I am aware Biden was a POS by way of immigration policy as well, but the Republicans have enabled and funded ICE to do damage at a much larger scale than before.)

    • Here is Abdul's position on ICE:

    ICE has become a tool for autocracy. Its culture of aggression, impunity, and disregard for the rule of law cannot be reformed or retrained. It must be abolished.

    1. https://ibbit.at/post/202598 leads to https://jordanlarson.info/ did you mean to put this link there? 🤣

    2. Hell yeah, brother. I can get onboard with some Liberal bashing. Fuck his non-commitment to getting ICE out.

    Should immigrants be deported if they commit a serious crime?

    Abdul El-Sayed voterbase

    Yes

    What? Did you expect the answer to be No? I think any government will arrest activists who engage in destructive direct action.

    1. Yeah, those are the Democrats the Progressive Leftist are trying to force out of the government with grassroots campaigns. Winning those seats requires voting.
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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    1. Actual leftists comprehend direct action preceed democratic collective decision making. Democrats do neither. Democrats are Republicans who always impoverish the population. There’s no single Democrat intersecting with civilians, and giving their capital to constituents.

    2. That these Democrats side with Nazis, again, again, again, and again. Those are Democrat cops.

    3. Obama could have abolished ICE twice. He didn't, because slavery is cost effective. Biden also deported more people than both combined. They are the same party.

    1. I linked Abdul El-Sayed’s own platform too. He is willing to deport people based on arbitrary crimes. Knowning full well legal and illegal migrants pay more in taxes than landlords.

    2. Then, when are Democrats going to empower us. Where’s the “Demolition for liberation” militia?

    3. Then you're a liberal, that is ok when Nazis and liberals vanguard their crimes with law, but oppress the larcenied (tax “payers”) with enforcement. The fact AI companies are not applied the same set of copyright laws prove what Democrats intend to arbitrate for “criminal” migrants. Rules for thee, not me.

    1. Seats they arbitrate gerrymandering, and College Electorates. Democrats are the bourgeoisie. They are the enemy of the proletariat, time immemorial. Learn your enemy, so you can fight them effectively.
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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Notice how not once during this discussion did I say that direct action was not effective means of change?

    My primary point was that to throw away your vote is to throw away a chance at making a change in our VERY flawed government.

    I hope you are able to find enough people who meet your standard of what a leftist is in order to affect real change. Evidently, I am not one of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Neither did I. But you seem convinced a Democrat won't betray our direct acts. When I have detailed you example after example of Democrats still betraying constituents.

    My point is that voting in their system is a waste of time, that if you have the “privilege” of doing, we could be demolishing a deathcamp right now. But Abdul El-Sayed isn't empowering you and me do to so, or is Kamela or the DNC. The government is flawed, because it was designed that way from the start. They created voting to distract you. Not to empower us.

    You have demonstrated four times now, that you side with Democrats, and their bourgeoisie praxis. So I can only evidently act as you are enemy, and not a proletariat worried you won't get deathcamped tonight. We should be insurrecting both sides of the coin of Nazism in Congress. Not worry how they’ll gerrymander our ballots this November.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I have seen the betrayals and didn't have any hope in the system until Zohran Mandani made it through and showed that American politics CAN have a positive impact on the proletariat's life. Now I believe that we CAN course correct. It is just up to the grassroots organizers and people with the privilege to vote to drive that ONE method of change (electoral).

    Brother, I am in the minority of Americans who are politically sentient and consider themselves Leftists.

    If you think I am an enemy, then your movement will consider the majority of Americans, who are fully politically apathetic, as enemies.

    The average American has far more favorable view of the police than I do. They think Law & Order: SVU is a documentary.

    Not sure how you are going to get more than 30 people on board, my man.

    Go to a protest and talk to real people about their views and listen. I would imagine that you hate protestors because they are 'performative', but those are the people who are invested in politics, aware of what is going on, and show up to voice their discontent. See how many people meet your criteria of 'not an enemy'.

    You need a movement to create real change, you need people for a movement.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    A singular city mayor that doesn't demolish 4 deathcamps in his state, that recently arrested protestors of a war criminal. I am unsure how you're using the word “grassroot” here if you meant that Mamdani is a proletariat, and not the authorized politician democratically elected to govern people.

    your movement

    You keep calling our class struggle a movement, and not our political will. Why do you believe in mob rule as a

    minority of Americans who are politically sentient and consider themselves Leftists.

    ?

    who are fully politically apathetic, as enemies.

    In Nazi America, and in Germany, they were both the same apathetic Nazis letting Nazis lynch them then, and here now. Why can't you see

    The average American has far more favorable view of [class treachery] than I do.

    As the enemies, and not be a solidifying intersecting leftist saying “Fuck🖕 class treachery! 🖕 Fuck Democrats🖕!”

    You need a movement to create real change, you need people for a movement.

    So which movement do you support, class treachery, or demolishing directly injustice?

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