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[–] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Genuine question- how early do you think such teaching should occur? Because for many of us (women), predation on us starts much younger than men seem to realize. The truth is, if we were to focus on teaching women to avoid groomers, we’d need to have full-on courses on psychology for elementary schoolers.

Now let’s logically follow through your idea here. So if we were to successfully teach girls (because again, if you wait to teach “women” then you’re already too late) to avoid “confident” men, what’s going to happen? Hm seems like a lot of boys would end up being avoided by girls, treated pre-emptively as rapists. Isn’t that what the manosphere complains about already? That girls and women don’t “give guys a chance” or what-have-you?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    You know what women actually respond to in the real world? Status, confidence, being one of the boys, ie being part of a group that seems important/dominant in some way, money. And what do women detest in many cases? Being unimportant/meek, nerdy, short, etc

    This is the exactly the type toxic masculinity you are whining about.

    Stop blaming women for the bullshit that men do to us.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Consider the example I gave earlier, a man Joe is being sleazy, grabbing girls on the ass and making crass uninvited comments, ie being a pest. One girl Jane speaks up and says this is out of place, and looks for recognition that this shouldn't be socially acceptable. Most people ignore her. A second guy Jack brings up the issue and says hey we shouldn't let this happen, and a chorus of girls, Jenny, Mary and Kate respond saying it's just some fun, the guy is from a different country, don't be a pain.

    The girls here are part of the problem, and are facilitating toxic masculinity. This is a real life situation I have seen first hand up close.

    Short answers saying all men are the problem and women can't do anything and stop blaming the victim, and avoiding the real issue that women also create the environments that toxic masculinity thrives in, and can take steps to stop it.

    But instead you get brain rot comments like "stop blaming women", which are just dismissive and miss the whole point

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    The fact that you come onto a post about a woman who was raped by multiple men, a post that says “of course we know it’s not all men, it’s too many”, and then proceed to whine about women and call them girls makes you an unsafe person.

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