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But, the children! We need to protect the children! (lemmy.ca)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Selling your health, youth, time, etc. is fine in your opinion, but selling sex isn’t for some reason?

You honestly think that selling your time to make money is the same as selling your BODY to make money? Please tell me your not serious about that. There are barter systems where people exchange their labor for goods without any money involved, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a system where people sell their body for goods on regular basis.

So exactly how does one provide for one's need for food clothing and shelter if they DONT want to sell their time? Live in the woods and forage for berries?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Again, selling your body is working in manual labor more than sex work. You literally destroy your body for it. Sex work doesn't.

    There are barter systems where people exchange their labor for goods without any money involved, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a system where people sell their body for goods on regular basis.

    I've seen people need surgery for their knees by 30 because they sold their body to lift cargo. It happens incredibly regularly. As for sex work, also incredibly regularly, which I wouldn't describe as "selling your body" but it is using your body for a service. It's not being damaged or losing value though.

    So exactly how does one provide for one's need for food clothing and shelter if they DONT want to sell their time? Live in the woods and forage for berries?

    OK, first you're implying I said you can't sell yourself for money. I didn't say that. You did. I just pointed out that we all do it. You only had an issue with it in regard to sex work, but for some reason don't care for other work that takes so much more from us for less in return.

    Second, there are alternative systems to capitalism that don't require you to self yourself for survival. It isn't a requirement for life. To see how capitalists see us, the people at work how interact with us are called human resource managers. We're a resource to be consumed and spent to generate profit for the comoany. You're just diluded into thinking that's fine, but people can't choose to do the same with sex work. Why not?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I wouldn’t describe as “selling your body” but it is using your body for a service. It’s not being damaged or losing value though.

    Thats where I completely disagree. There is a big emotional and psychological toll to be used by another person for money. Yeah, in 20 years your knees might be in better shape than a factory worker, but your emotions, your self esteem, your mental health will not be. The knees can be fixed with surgery. How do you fix crippled mental health? There are people who spend their lives in therapy because mommy yelled at them a lot when they were young. You think someone who has been used over and over by other people for their own pleasure is going to be in better shape than that emotionally damaged person? Absolutely not. NO ONE comes out of sex work undamaged - its literally the price of participation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There is a big emotional and psychological toll to be used by another person for money.

    Again, you're literally doing this if you have a job. I don't disagree. You just only have an issue with sex. If you think this is valid, explain why sex is different.

    How do you fix crippled mental health?

    That's part of why we have so many issues in the US. People are selling their lives to corporations to survive, and they're given no mental Healthcare to help them. Mental Healthcare is a thing though and it can be provided.

    You think someone who has been used over and over by other people for their own pleasure is going to be in better shape than that emotionally damaged person? Absolutely not. NO ONE comes out of sex work undamaged - its literally the price of participation.

    No one comes out of capitalism undamaged. There are some porn stars and brothel workers (with protections) who seem to be perfectly healthy though. It's the lack of safety nets and protections that cause issues. The same thing is true for factories before we had safety nets, or any other kind of work. Sex work is work, and all work needs protections so workers aren't abused and taken advantage of. Without it, of course there are issues. Its not because of the type of work though, it's the lack of protections.

    You have a weird issue with sex, where you think it's "being used" if you have sex. I haven't done it for money, but I've had plenty of loveless sex, and it doesn't have any magical powers. It's just an act.

    We're all being used every day. There's no difference when it's sex. You keep saying there is, but providing no reasoning other than just that it's true because you believe it's true.

    There are a lot of sex workers who get through it all and are as perfectly healthy as the rest of us, sometimes more. Yes, there are some who don't, but that's true for everything. Sex work has the double issue of a lot of it not being legal and having no protections, and also attracting people who aren't as well already. We should be doing more to make it legal so we can help them, not the opposite. Making it illegal doesn't make it go away, it only ensures the issues you're pointing out are more common.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We’re all being used every day. There’s no difference when it’s sex.

    Dude, I worked in an office job for more than 10 years. I didnt feel used. I didnt feel like my self esteem was compromised. I didnt feel like I had to give up my dignity for pay. Never once did anyone ask me to take off my clothes and insert X object into one of my holes so they could watch me and jerk off.

    You have a very warped idea of what a regular job is like compared to sex work, but ok go ahead and convince yourself that they're exactly the same. Dear god.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Dude, I worked in an office job for more than 10 years. I didnt feel used. I didnt feel like my self esteem was compromised. I didnt feel like I had to give up my dignity for pay.

    Cool. You're in the same boat as a lot of sex workers then! However, you were used. It's called human resources because they see us as resources to use. You can not feel used doing your work, and the same goes for all work, but if you're doing it because you have to to survive then you are being used. You're a whore for money. You just might be doing other acts than sex, but there's nothing more honorable about it.

    Never once did anyone ask me to take off my clothes and insert X object into one of my holes so they could watch me and jerk off.

    What is your problem? Is that the only way you can lose dignity in your opinion? It should be doing some you find demeaning, which is an opinion. I think people who are sycophants for people like Musk, Bezos, Trump, etc. are much less respectable than people doing sex work. We're all whores though. They wave cash in front of our faces and we beg them for it.

    You have a very warped idea of what a regular job is like compared to sex work...

    No, you have a very warped idea of what sex work is. Legal sex work the workers choose their partners and get to say no to anyone or anything they want. Sure, they'll make more money for doing certain acts, just like any other job. They aren't the same. Just like a construction worker isn't the same as a software engineer. They aren't worse though. You look down on them, but you haven't given a reason for what makes it worse inherently.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We’re all whores though. They wave cash in front of our faces and we beg them for it.

    I got into teaching to help kids grow and learn and you think Im a whore for money? Im done with your ridiculous and completed unfounded opinions. You need help.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    You can do things only for what it achieves, but if you've done anything you don't want to for money, that's literally a whore, by definition. (This isn't saying something bad about you. It's about all of us. I don't look down on us.) I wish we could choose to persue our passions without needing to work for money to survive. That's not an option for most people though.

    It's called wage slavery, where you need your wage to survive, so you can't just say no to it. If this doesn't apply to you then great! I'm happy for you. If it does though, then welcome to the party. We all do what we have to to survive. I don't look down on anyone for it. I don't have the issue. You do, because you think your better than other workers.

    Do you think you'd help people in a different way if you had the resources to, or do you think you'd still do the exact same thing if you didn't have to think about money? Would you choose anything different in your life if money weren't part of it?

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