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Blue-state hospitals are folding on trans youth care. Parents are wondering why they moved. (www.lgbtqnation.com)
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That was disturbing news to Angelica Jadunandan, who moved to New York from Florida with her two young daughters three years ago. Her older daughter, who is eight, is transgender, and Angelica wanted to move them to a safe blue state—somewhere her family’s medical care would not be called into question. New York is a self-declared “sanctuary state” for trans people. It seemed like a good option.

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[–] 23 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Against my better judgement, I'm going to engage in good faith here.

What exactly do you mean by "like this"? There is nothing about this girl altering her body in the article at all. In general, people her age transitioning is mostly social (changing name/pronouns/aesthetic) and getting care from specialists who are doctors who know more than you or I or the average person about what might help the person in question. At a certain point puberty blockers come into play, which is not really altering the body as it is preventing possible harm to the child by forcing them to go through a possible traumatic experience that we can prevent. This gives the person additional time to ensure they are confident and happy with their decision. Puberty blockers are widely studied and if a person chooses they can stop them and the puberty of their assigned sex will proceed as expected. In the case that they decide to proceed there is an extremely small regret rate and the majority of that regret is because post coming out the person was not supported by others.

Your personal experience has really nothing to do with her experience or truly any other trans persons experience, seeing as you are clearly not trans. Your thoughts on these people are irrelevant as they and their literal team of doctors likely know what's best for them far more than you ever could. There is paper after paper and organization after organization that you can look into with stats and figures and actual evidence, so I hope before you go around assuming your personal experience is somehow more relevant or accurate than that of the majority of all trans people and accredited medical professionals, you spend some time actually bothering to look into it. If you truly believe that time will tell, then I have great news for you because we as a society have known about trans people forever, and time has indeed already told, over and over and over again: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Thank you for all that you are sharing, @MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com . You're a very kind and thoughtful human being - and I can see that you have a lot of patience.

    I wish I had your strength of character to respond to such a person as you have.

    I recognize the individual in question is thoroughly obstinate - even in the face of obvious defeat. But your words in this comment and the other ones that you shared below are illuminating and inspiring for the many readers that come across this page.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The study appears to be a meta analysis or aggregation, so it’s going to take me a bit longer to look into. If you have favorite non-aggregate studies you personally know of, please let me know too. I’m sure I’ll find some, but my searches might not lead me down the same path.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I specifically linked a meta analysis because it shows that we have collected the same data over and over again and have found the same results.

    If you're unwilling to take the current medical approach as based on science, I really can't imagine a single study changing your mind, but just for fun, here's one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15842032/ 0.6% regret rate

    Feel free to note it's from 2005 and treatments have generally become even more advanced since then, meaning the process of medical transition was likely more physically taxing for them and with wore outcomes than it might be for people now, two decades later.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This does a decent enough job of trying to explain my issue with the sample selection and process used:

    https://lemmy.today/comment/26855969

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is standard concern trolling behavior. I provided a specific study per your explicit request, and instead of responding to that specific study you link to a random website that has a bunch of boilerplate responses that are not a response at all.

    Also, per that that website you linked:

    Freedom2Care® fosters a Christian perspective on ethical issues and provides medically reliable and biblically sound guidance on healthcare issues. F2C features critical bioethical issues such as abortion, conscience rights in healthcare, euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, human trafficking, embryo research, and many others.

    I guess it makes sense you're getting your talking points from people who don't respect the bodily autonomy of women, since they also don't seem to respect the bodily autonomy of people in general.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I promise I’m not trolling and you can DM me if you want and I won’t get upset or emotional, just want to talk and understand.

    It did also mention that study in the link, or so I thought. I could be wrong.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago

    Thanks! It would work to your advantage to operate a bit friendlier though. How are we going to change the internet without some smiles?

    I’ll take a look at the link. Personally, I just think it’s a bit harder to verify the sample integrity in aggregate studies, that’s all. I believe a good portion of the scientific community hold this belief as well, but it’s not my area of expertise.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Thanks but with respect, everyone’s personal opinion is valid. I appreciate your information and will read the article you linked.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What do you mean by valid? If I believe onions cures cancer is that a valid personal opinion? People can have opinions, sure, but especially regarding actual medical issues, not all opinions are equal.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago

    That’s fair, maybe I used the wrong words.

    I think my experience can have something to do with their experience. I think a lot of the feelings I’ve felt are similar, although not the same.

    I don’t think my experience is inherently unrelated, invalid, or dismissible because I’m not trans. If you still disagree I guess that’s alright, but that’s what I meant by opinion.

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