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[–] 2 points 1 month ago (54 children)

Jesus, what more could possibly be said about this a full ten years after?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The article is really about how the situation informs the current landscape and strategy for 2026 and 2028, but I guess you didn't read it before commenting

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    I 100% did not.

    The amount of pride this is said with is what's infuriating. The answers were right there, but you couldn't be fucking bothered.

    If you had opened up the article and taken 20 seconds to scan, you would have gotten enough answer to continue reading. Or not, whatever, but you wouldn't've made a stupid comment in the thread, at least.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    You want the full picture of how our political landscape came to be what it is today? You're gonna have to start looking far back beyond 10 years ago my friend. No election cycle is only a 4 to 8 year bubble.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (10 children)

    I mean, for the last ten years people have been telling me I’m a conspiracy theorist for saying that the DNC fucked over Sanders, so I appreciate this article for backing me up lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The DNC fucked over Bernie.

    The primary voters voted for Hillary over Bernie, even before the superdelegates became relevant at the convention.

    Both can be true.

    Regardless of all the shenanigans with the superdelegates, I highly doubt that the DNC would have nominated Hillary if Bernie had actually won the primaries.

    Voters could have seen through the DNC shenanigans and chose Bernie, but they didn't.

    It's the same with all the dark money corporate contributions... Does it influence the result? The data surely shows that it does, but voters still have the choice to NOT let that dark money spending influence their decision.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    All of that stuff in the book was more or less out in the open and publicity known during the primary campaign. Leftists and progressives could have registered to vote in the primary, and if they had none of the fuckery would have amounted to anything. But they didn't and Hillary got nearly double the votes Bernie did. Also Bernie isn't a democrat, everybody ignores this, of course the democratic party would favor an actual democrat for their nomination, but I digress. If leftists and progressives actually voted he'd have won, but they didn't, and it wasn't remotely close.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Oh my God, how did you not already find one of the hundreds of other articles that gave that same validation in the last 10 years? If you were waiting for this moment for that, that's pretty much on you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is an interview with Sanders' chief campaign strategist about his new book dissecting the 2016 primary. If you don't care about it then fine, whatever. But you're clearly commenting on what you imagine the article is, not what it actually is

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I do not care about your opinion on an article you haven't read

    My point here has never been defending the article. It's that you shouldn't make wrong assumptions based on headlines and comment based on those. It's bad form

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    The very existence and sharing of this article is a waste of time. The context that it's from the last person in the world who would give such a thesis value and in promotion of a book just makes it worse not better. My assumptions were kinder than they would have been otherwise.

    Your comment saying who the author is is literally the only comment in this entire post that references the content of this specific article. Every single other comment is a generic commentary on politics, rehashed arguments about Sanders' primary run, or meta comments. Which is more evidence of its worthlessness. So I don't care that you don't care and you can tut tut about correct form to someone who has a reason to seek your approval.

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  • [+] -24 points 1 month ago (36 children)

    Since they're still beating the dead horse I've got something different to say:

    Bernie Sanders lost the primaries by Millions of votes. Not Thousands, Not Hundreds of Thousands, but Millions.

    He wasn't even a DNC member and he got invited in the first place.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (35 children)

    Sure, but he was already losing by an overwhelming majority before anyone voted. Hillary had something like 40 delegates already.

    Edit: 360 delegates, actually.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    And if all the Bernie supporters had actually registered and voted in the primary they could have changed that, but they didn't. Bernie supporters not voting for Bernie in the primary are the main cause of Bernie losing.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 month ago* (33 children)

    So you're saying that if Bernie started with 40 more delegates that MILLIONS more people would have voted for him instead? Fat chance, pal.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (32 children)

    If it doesn’t matter, then why not just make it fair?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    What fuckin fair? It may be bullshit but it's a private party, literally, and they didn't need to let Bernie run at all, but they did. Quit moving the goalposts. The facts remain no matter what the DNC did or didn't do Bernie lost the primary, overwhelmingly, because nobody voted for him.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 month ago* (30 children)

    If you want me to come up with a reason why the person who receives millions more votes should become the representative then clearly you oppose democracy and idgaf about your opinion on anything.

    Being chosen by the people is what is fair.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (25 children)

    Isn't that the popular vote?...

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (24 children)

    Popular vote: HRC: 16,917,853 Bernie: 13,210,550
    Percentage: 55.2%, 43.1%

    We've been discussing how Bernie lost the popular vote this entire time. It was a brutal defeat where he was 2 digit percent margin. Even worse, in 2020 he lost to Joseph Biden when Biden literally doubled his vote.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (23 children)

    Thanks. Not American so not very knowledgeable but appreciate the clarification.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Not sure how that is discouraging. Also, if all it takes is a New Zealander to make some ambiguous comment which then discourages people to not vote, you are all in far greater trouble than you know. On top of that, your pointless comment contributed nothing and was also incorrect. Well done. America is safe now.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    There is a concerted effort to keep everyone in the dark about this, including Americans, so it's totally understandable.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Bro it's fucking exhausting how many progressive spaces refuse to admit that Bernie didn't fucking get the votes to be the nominee. By like, a landslide.

    I do think that in hindsight Clinton should have made him her VP choice though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (15 children)

    Where have people refused to admit that? My point was that the superdelegate system is unfair, because it gives the party favorite a huge advantage before anyone has even voted. Regardless of whether I’m for or against the party favorite, I’m against the superdelegate system.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (14 children)

    The party insiders favored the person who has always been in the party, over someone who joined that year? Cmon man.

    Bernie could have fixed this at any time, by actually joining the Democratic Party. He didn't.

    Bernie lost by MILLIONS of actual votes. Not super delegates. Actual votes.

    Life ain't fair. Just because it's not fair, doesn't mean people should sit at fucking home and sulk and not try and get something done instead of nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

    I don’t care who the party insiders support, and it’s completely understandable that they supported Hillary. But that shouldn’t translate to her having an enormous lead before anyone votes. That’s not democratic. Considering the Democtratic party is named after democracy, you’d think they should be a shining example of it.

    I don’t know why you keep explaining that Bernie lost by millions of votes. I understand that. You are trying to convince me of something I already believe. I am simply trying to even explain to you that my problem is with what happened before anyone voted.

    Based on what you just said though, I think you don’t fully understand how delegates work in the party. The superdelegates do matter. Let’s say, based on voting, Bernie and Hillary had won the exact same number of delegates. Hillary would have won, because she had more delegates when you add the superdelegates. Now let’s say, again based solely on voting, Bernie had won 300 more delegates than Hillary. Hillary would still have won, because she had ~360 superdelegates. Therefore, Bernie would have needed to get well over 50% of the vote to actually win. That’s what we mean when we say the party screwed him.

    The popular vote doesn’t really matter in the Democratic Party, because what determines who becomes the nominee is the delegate vote (similar to how Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college, so didn’t win the election). Most delegates are required to vote for the winner of the popular vote in their state, but the superdelegates can vote for whoever they want. They absolutely can sway a primary to their preferred candidate. ~15% of delegates are superdelegates, which means that a candidate the party insiders don’t like may need to win 66% of the popular vote to win the candidacy. That’s bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I have voted for Trump’s opponent every opportunity I’ve had. What else do you want me to do?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I have never made that claim. Are you just arguing with some imaginary person here? I can leave you to it, if you want to continue.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Have you read any of my comments? This entire time, I’ve made it incredibly clear that I’m talking about delegates. You’re either not very good at reading or you’re purposefully misunderstanding me.

    Let me lay it out again, nice and slow. Delegates are the only votes that actually count toward deciding the nominee. It is indisputable that Hillary had a huge lead over Sanders in delegates before anyone voted in the primaries. Look it up.

    California is roughly 10% of the electoral college. Imagine, if you will, if California just went to whoever the elite liked in the general election, regardless of any votes. That would be unfair, yes? That’s not even as bad as the 15% share of superdelegates in the DNC.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Did California go to whoever the elites like? No, it went to the most popular candidate in that state: Hillary Clinton, so stop spreading your bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    The superdelegates went to who the elite liked, yes. That would be Hillary.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You're mad at a hypothetical that was nowhere near happening.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I am mad because the system in the party is set up to be unfair and undemocratic. If you think about it, you should probably be mad about that too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I'm not mad at something that didn't happen. I certainly didn't sit at fucking home while a Nazi ran against Clinton or Harris because of this hypothetical.

    Apparently, this is the desired outcome for some people on this site.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Indeed. Considering her performance in the primary, I was certain she was going to win the general. I was so sure, in fact, that I did a little oopsie and forget to vote. Happens to us all, right?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You're the one who sat out voting against a guy who was pretty much a known rapist, so that's your call.

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