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[–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

Narcissus was a 16 year old boy who just wanted to be a hunter. Much like the goddess Artemis, he wanted to live in the forest and eschew all romantic and sexual connections.

He may have preferred isolation because he was famous across all of the Hellenic world for his great beauty. And no matter how many people asked this teenage boy for his hand in marriage or to have intimate relations, he refused.

There was one man, Ameinias, who would propose marriage to Narcissus again and again. He wouldn't take no for an answer. One day, narcissus got completely fed up with it, and gave Ameinias a sword. He told the sexual harasser to go kill himself.

Ameinias did as he was told, and stabbed himself in the heart with the sword. But before he died, he prayed to Nemesis, "Though he should love, let him not have what he loves!" Nemesis agreed.

Narcissus loved nobody, at least not romantically or erotically. But after Nemesis agreed to Ameinias' prayer, he noticed his reflection in a pond. Recognising himself for the first time in the way other people saw him, he became infatuated. Narcissus had neither food nor drink for the rest of his life. He simply sat and stared at himself until he died.

When he died, the nymphs of the forest, who loved him, grew flowers around his body. Narcissus flowers.


Nemesis is the goddess of punishment for hubris. She punishes mortals who think they're better than the gods. Why would she punish Narcissus?

My theory is: The ancient Greeks (and their gods) were so aphobic, they thought if someone didn't want to have sex, it's because they think they're better than everyone else.

I recognise that aphobic Greeks and aphobic westerners have lied to you about this myth. But Narcissus is our history, as asexuals. This is what people thought of us for 2,000 years. And it needs to change.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    First thing to remember: this is a myth

    Second thing to remember: you are trying to play chicken with a retelling of an already ancient myth by Ovid (who isn't fucking greek) who uses it as a way to explore concepts of obsession and - you guessed it! - narcissistic self involvement.

    Literally, the original story makes no mention of echo, but a whole lot about the dude being a little bastard who was so self involved the only thing he could love was himself. Ovid added some things, but narcissus was never a woobie aroace, that shit is internet headcanon. Headcanons are fun, but don't pretend this is scholarly fact.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    Actually, all the stuff about Ameinias is from Conon's Narrations, a Greek text from between 63 BC and 14 CE.

    I'm gonna have to press X to doubt on you having read the "original story", since it was an oral tradition that later got transcribed to text. I've cited both Ovid and Conon. Would you like to cite a specific scholar, or would you rather claim you personally went back in time 2,000+ years to talk to the original oral storytellers?

    EDIT: Conon also wrote:

    And from that the Thespians honor and reverence Eros especially, and learned to sacrifice to him both in the common rituals and privately.

    According to this ancient greek scholar, we need to have sex even if we don't want to, out of deference to the gods. Cause they're aphobes. And you're making excuses for them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    And from that the Thespians honor and reverence Eros especially, and learned to sacrifice to him both in the common rituals and privately.

    Thespia was a city. You can't claim all of Ancient Greece was aphobic because a single city specifically worshipped Eros

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I never said "I read the original story" so that straw argument doesn't apply. Shockingly bad attempt for you to try on a written forum.

    I was however, referring to the Parthenius Papyrus.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Parthenius' version doesn't say a whole lot about Narcissus being a little bastard. It says one line:

    He had a cruel heart, and hated all of them,

    That's not really a source, it's a completely subjective judgement. As a rule, I tend not to trust gossip about a person that says they're bad, but not why. Because we don't really know why Parthenius judged Narcissus. Conon said Narcissus was bad because he was asexual, so I'll hazard a guess that Parthenius may have agreed. Because it's literally the only clue we have about why Parthenius insulted Narcissus.

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