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Tis the season (lemmy.world)
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Can I get a smug lecture on how you're choosing the third, disconnected track?

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[–] 5 points 1 month ago* (16 children)

We can stop trying to convince vocal non-voters. They are 100% either trolls trying to eat productive time or completely irrational, pig headed imbeciles and attention whores, and lecturing at them - or otherwise engaging with them in any way - is a complete waste of time. Let them smug themselves in isolation.

We either save civilization going AROUND their obstructions, or it's not savable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The only chance any of us have of saving civilization is dismantling the USA.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    You are using the logic the Bolsheviks used to overthrow their Tsar to liberal democracy. The less resolute Bolsheviks didn’t have a choice to make policy change using less aggressive methods. On top of that you are assuming with the new methods of suppression/surveillance/weapons that a forceful revolution is even possible. And while making the point that it is unethical to support a genocide letting fascists take control in the hopes of ML revolution and the gays/trans/immigrants that die along the way are a necessary evil.

    It’s the first things you learn about ML: Dialectical Materialism activism & strife is defined by the material conditions of the populace, if you forget to alter your assumptions by what differ between Anton in 1903 and Jo in Arkansas 2026 then you’re still playing with history books.

    Anton’s only method to participate in a democratic process was to join a union.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How many Wikipedia articles did you skim in order to spit out this absolute half-assed drivel?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    We can stop trying to convince vocal non-voters

    Its not about them. Its about lurkers who are reading and might accept their faulty logic.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Interesting that the graphic includes trans folks, the demographic the very same Democrats that abandoned Palestinians are now rushing to throw under the bus. It turns out "lesser of two evils" is shit logic based on a myopic pretense that the current election is the only one that matters.

    Here's the simple truth of it. No Democrat that will vote for genocide is going to protect any minority groups the moment it becomes politically inconvenient. No Democrat that will vote for genocide will actually save democracy either, as that requires passing a lot of unpopular laws.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    Abstaining isn't going to help either. We need to vote in primaries. Blue no matter who is a last resort.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The only real political power small minority groups can wield is as a spoiler. You can never win elections on your own, but you can make it clear that if someone hurts your group badly enough, you'll vote so hard against them that your small numbers can make the difference in a close election. Look at how the Jewish community or the South Florida Cuban community have wielded their power so effectively. Or look at the Zionist lobby. They don't say, "blue no matter who" and support Democrats regardless of their stance on Israeli issues. They pick and choose who they support and give money to, and they pull it away from those that go against their will.

    Primaries are no panacea. Consider the spreading terf infection within the Democratic party. A lot of centrist Dems have now moved on from supporting Palestinian genocide to getting on the "liquefy trans people" bandwagon. Your advice to trans people would be to vote for these transphobes in the general election and to then fight against them in the next primary.

    But here's what that actually looks like. The first primary tells you nothing; snakes hide their colors. They wait to fly the terf flag until after the primary is over. You tell trans people, "blue no matter who, vote for the transphobic Democrat to keep the Republican from winning."

    So they get elected. Then the next primary comes around. Now, however, the message changes. Now instead of "wait for the primary," the refrain becomes, "this primary challenge is irresponsible.! We shouldn't risk an incumbent seat in a purple district just for the sake of trans people!" In the meantime, the terf infection has spread and become more normalized.

    In practice, there is simply never a "correct" time to challenge these people.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    In practice, there is simply never a “correct” time to challenge these people.

    Judging by the people who talk about protest voting: it's right before the election, and then radio silence on the issue until right before the next election.

    They'll spend more time opening a GoFundMe for themselves than trying to change the political landscape in any way that will work.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    it’s right before the election, and then radio silence on the issue until right before the next election.

    If a tree fell in the forest, but you weren't paying attention, did it still fall?

    They’ll spend more time opening a GoFundMe for themselves.

    This is weirdly specific. Do you have a cool leftist ex?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The Democrats destroyed the last 3 primaries, or don't you remember? They didn't have a primary last season and they rat fucked Bernie before that. You're a fool if you think the Ds are going to let the masses of voters decide what happens via the primary system.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    You're right, if I vote for the party running on the "We will deport more people than Trump! We have given out SO many fracking contracts! We LOVE BOMBING BROWN PEOPLE! WE LOVE GIVING MONEY TO COPS!!"-platform, then I'm sure they'll start turning left any day now. After all it's what I've been doing since Carter and it hasn't worked so far, so it has to be close!
    It's not like me normalising this hellscape by constantly voting for insane fascists could actually be harmful in any way. Oh well, there's literally nothing else to do, I can't vote for a third party, I can't organise outside of getting people to vote for fascists, I can't wipe my own ass, it's really too bad.

    I mean, I tried voting for Bernie in the primaries, but they fucked him over, so that didn't work. I tried doing some political volunteering for a local progressive, but the DNC decided to throw a bunch of funding behind some insane TERF freak, who then went on to lose the election. Pretty weird, honestly. I tried to organize within my union, but Joe Biden broke it up. I tried striking, but he broke that up too. I tried protesting and then the cops showed up and beat the shit out of me. Well, I guess I better vote for the democrats again.

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