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“The left” is a joke (lemmy.world)
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[–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You’re missing the part of the definition of liberalism that upholds the right to private property, which is the core foundation of capitalism.

There are other ideologies that uphold the right to control your own life that don’t also uphold private property, such as socialism.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The right to private property is also the core foundation of being able to own property of any kind without being (a) the king or (b) granted a title of nobility by the king.

    The distinction between personal and private property arose a few hundred years later.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ok, well since kings don’t rule the world anymore, how about e use the definition that is relevant to today’s systems?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Would you say that exchanging goods and services is fundamentally capitalist? It's not like barter is relevant to today's systems?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No, commerce is not fundamentally capitalist. Markets existed before capitalist, and also exist in socialist states. Not sure where you're going with this one.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Liberalism existed before capitalism, and can also exist in non-capitalist states.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    It really kinda didn't exist before capitalism though. Liberalism and capitalism co-evolved to respectively provide the moral justification and the material means for the bourgeois revolution against feudalism. Liberalism is inherently a capitalist ideology. Though I would agree that some of the principles that liberalism claims are indeed timeless and appropriate to include in any society.

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