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[–] 10 points 1 month ago (32 children)

Ownership of productive property for accumulation of profit is the economic outcome of liberal ideals about the protection of all private property rights. I don't understand how liberalism can be anti-capitalist in practice. Capitalist accumulation means that the political power of capital overtakes any other. This is the historical reality. This is why liberal ideals have allowed the creation corporate personhood and free speech has resulted in no functional constraint of money in politics. This is how the process always plays out. If you are anti-capitalist, that is incompatible with the liberal ideals of absolute private property rights. That is a contradiction that many anti-capitalists highlight extensively.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (31 children)

    Your continued conflation of personal liberty and capitalism is the core of your confusion.

    Liberal ideals don't inherently protect private property rights, as the difference between private and personal property was not yet established.

    Liberal ideals protect the idea that you can own property as well, because before that everything (including your life) technically belonged to the king.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (30 children)

    Liberal ideals don’t inherently protect private property rights, as the difference between private and personal property was not yet established.

    Entirely incoherent. The division of personal vs private property is an anti-capitalist concept and not part of liberalism at all. This is why liberalism has to be left behind, because it is inherently supportive of capitalist accumulation and all that comes with it. Acting like liberalism can include this distinction is complete historical illiteracy.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    If the right to live life as you see fit is incompatible with anti-capitalism, then you have convinced me to defend capitalism. Not because I like capitalism, but because I don't want my life to be dedicated to following orders.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (28 children)

    If you want to stake out incoherent political idealism as a form of wishcasting, go for it. Just don't expect material reality to conform to your delusions. Liberalism has no claim on "the right to live life as you see fit" though. It is indeed the ideology of slavery and colonialism, and continues its exploitative conquests under the guise of capitalism.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (27 children)

    That is literally what liberalism is. The right to self determination, as opposed to the continued power structure of the monarchy.

    Now anti-capitalism...that there seems like some wishful idealism.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Wishful Idealism is when you realize the system that is killing every human being on earth needs to be replaced

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Maybe one day we'll have a working alternative.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (22 children)

    That's what it advertizes, sure. But that's not how it actually functions in practice. Just look around with open eyes please.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    Looking around, I don't see any kings.

    Exactly what it says on the box, perfect. No notes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

    Glad you're happy to be ruled by genocidal pedophiles. Truly the heights of liberty.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    It is preferable to genocidal pedophiles that also send you to the gulag for speaking, yes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Lol just Sayin Shit, turning to projection as you guys always do when the reality of your monstrosity confronts you.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I'm sorry I forgot you're probably not allowed to say anything bad about Dear Leader from behind the firewall.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Just nut up and call me a slur already dude, this is loser shit

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Nah, I don't use slurs.

    Plus, this isn't an .ml instance, there isn't as much censorship as you're used to.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Its true, I've never been exposed to a non-communist idea somehow. I'm just a poor hypnotized brainwashed npc who spawned just before this conversation and I know nothing of this American "freedom" youve been talking about all thread. Can you tell me about it? It must feel fantastic since their wise leaders are willing to slaughter billions for it.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Wut? I think your chatbot broke lol. lemmy.ml's founders openly say they shut down dissenting opinions.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    No no, I'm trying to escape! Can you please help me? There's no food here and they make us all transcribe the posts by hand. Despite the fact that other instances are constantly looking over their shoulder for us, we're actually secretly very weak and miserable and teetering on collapse. Please, western capitalist hero. Can you tell me about capitalist freedom so that I might have a morsel of hope to take back to my fellow oppressed posters as we huddle around a barrel fire in our grey jumpsuits outside the mod's lavish palace?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Drone strikes, ICE raids, the largest prison population on the planet, all this leaves you completely unbothered. Got mine, fuck everyone else, right? The true essence of liberalism indeed.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah, pretty much. If I preferred that plus the gulag, I would have stayed in the USSR post collapse.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    You lived in the USSR, and you are this miseducated? That seems highly unlikely. Liberalism is a helluva drug tho.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I did. The apartment was nice. The most other things were not. The US is much nicer by comparison.

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