Man that's rougher than I expected. 0/3, either we got really unlucky or supply vs. demand is way out of whack :(

Edit: Here's a website that's giving some rough estimates! https://steamframeout.com/

Edit 2: And this one: https://steamhardware.io/tracker/steam-frame/

Email from Valve: You are on the waitlist for Steam Frame 256GB Kit. When we did the one-time randomization of the list, your place in line ended up beyond the number of Steam Frames currently available for reservation. As we work our way through the reservation queue, some customers may cancel their reservations. If that happens, you may be moved into the reservation queue, and you'll be notified via email that you have a reservation after all.
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[–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It is very unfortunate that these website only aggregate these numbers after the lottery. These estimates are so dependent on having a random sample and this is not guarenteed anymore (people who got on the waitlist are more/less likely to visit such websites)

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I don't actually mind that, as it gives a worst case estimation and it is likely to be better in reality. Better than the other way around

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    What do you mean by worst case?

    I cannot provide a good source (besides the book "How to measure anything") for this, but probably 50 random participants would be enough to provide a pretty accurate estimate of waitlist wait time. That‘s orders of magnitude less than the data these sites have, but they are probably less accurate.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What do you mean by worst case?

    As you said these sites are likely to overrepresent waitlisted people. As a fellow waitlisted person, I'm using them to get an idea of how "bad" the situation is, i.e. to curb my expectations about moving to the reservation list at some point. Waitlisted people being overrepresented will make the situation look worse than it is, meaning I'm more likely to be positively surprised than negatively.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    How do you know that waitlist people are overrepresented? The problem with sampling biases is that you don‘t how the estimate is affected.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    I only stumbled over these sites after I got put on the waitlist, if I had gotten on the reservation list I probably wouldn't have looked around as much. Assuming I'm not special, that would mean there's some bias towards waitlisted people. But I might be wrong about that, sure

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