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Steam Frame Release (store.steampowered.com)
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256 GB model: $1,059 USD

1TB model: $1,299 USD

Preorder list randomized, goes out Sept 17th

Power supply not included, costs $29 (same as Steam Deck power supply)

3rd party addon available for color passthrough, Arcturus Vision Camera, $149

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[–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm saying that if a grayscale image was required, you can use a color camera to show that to the user and apply a mask to use a grayscale image for tracking processes.

You wouldn't get the same benefit from applying a mask I don't think.

Maybe, not sure. But then again, why wouldn't valve say so if that was the case?

If I really need color, I'll get the aftermarket adapter, probably do a better job than any built in cameras anyway 🤷‍♂️

This one's kinda dumb, sorry. Valve makes the device and they make the camera accessory as well. If the cameras were built-in and used a ribbon cable instead of usb-c, the quality would quite literally be exactly the same.

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    I think the grayscale camera literally, physically, is better at collecting light. Like, the hardware is more capable when it comes to tracking.

    Maybe negligibly so, but an amount.

    I'm not saying that it was the right call to use them, I just didn't think it's as bad as everyone seems to want it to be.

    Maybe valve will defend their decision more in the future? Maybe the black and white cams, in addition to being better for low light tracking, were also cheaper in bulk?

    Cost adds up. I'm also in the boat of not wanting the charger to be included, because I and many others, will never use it.

    As for the addon cameras being better, it's not dumb. They literally connect with a special high bandwidth connector, and they are something like twice the resolution.

    Just like I wouldn't want the charger included that I wouldn't use, many others wouldn't appreciate the extra $150 to have the high res cameras be default either.

    It's mostly a difference of opinion and preference.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think the grayscale camera literally, physically, is better at collecting light. Like, the hardware is more capable when it comes to tracking.

    There are several headsets with color cameras and no tracking issues. Even if they are "better", if they don't provide a real world benefit it doesn't make sense to use them.

    Cost adds up.

    We're talking about a $1k+ device here. I don't think people would've drawn the line at $20 more.

    As for the addon cameras being better, it's not dumb. They literally connect with a special high bandwidth connector, and they are something like twice the resolution.

    And what makes you think that they couldn't have used the exact same cameras inside the Frame? Why do you assume that this external "high bandwidth" connector is the only way to use them? I'm sorry but yes, it is dumb.

    Just like I wouldn't want the charger included that I wouldn't use, many others wouldn't appreciate the extra $150 to have the high res cameras be default either.

    First, a decent 45w charger is like $15 nowadays so that wouldn't make that much of a difference. Second, why do you keep insisting that including the cameras would've increased the price $150? That makes 0 sense. First, if you don't use the monochrome cameras, you "recover" that money and second, if you include them in the device you don't have any extra packaging and you don't need the enclosure or anything else. The price increase would've been far far lower.

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