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[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 9 points 1 month ago (17 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (16 children) The concept/nation, the people in power, or every citizen regardless of circumstance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (10 children) America is not a nation. There are indigenous nations, but the idea of an "American nation" is a fiction to justify the ongoing process of settler-colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) There are indigenous nations fwiw: the ones that survived and are still coherent/organized enough to still be considered a nation represent a cultural/social/linguistic minority in north & central america -- an overwhelming majority no longer have a nation to claim as their own and the trend becomes stronger the further away from the anglosphere you get. in other words: either the united states or mexico are closest thing they can identify with as part of a nation and this phenomenon is most prevalent in the american southwest and northern mexico -- geographically & broadly between salt lake city and mexico city. and it'll forever be odd to me that the worst colonial settler examples that the world had seen thus far in the anglosphere resulted in the most intact and cohesive indigenous nations that are still in existence today while the relatively tame -- but still outrageously inhumane -- settler colonialism practiced in the rest of the latin america has relatively few such indigenous nations still going today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) First peoples of Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (6 children) That's an incorrect and dumb thing to say. Pretty sure the ol US of A exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) To quote a famous Georgian political activist and philosopher, "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and culture." The US Empire is a settler-colony, and as such does not constitute an actual nation, though it is a state with citizens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago There's also notably a South America, which contains zero parts of the USA. permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online -3 points 1 month ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (4 children) Dang that's messed up, I hope things get better for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (16 children) The concept/nation, the people in power, or every citizen regardless of circumstance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (10 children) America is not a nation. There are indigenous nations, but the idea of an "American nation" is a fiction to justify the ongoing process of settler-colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) There are indigenous nations fwiw: the ones that survived and are still coherent/organized enough to still be considered a nation represent a cultural/social/linguistic minority in north & central america -- an overwhelming majority no longer have a nation to claim as their own and the trend becomes stronger the further away from the anglosphere you get. in other words: either the united states or mexico are closest thing they can identify with as part of a nation and this phenomenon is most prevalent in the american southwest and northern mexico -- geographically & broadly between salt lake city and mexico city. and it'll forever be odd to me that the worst colonial settler examples that the world had seen thus far in the anglosphere resulted in the most intact and cohesive indigenous nations that are still in existence today while the relatively tame -- but still outrageously inhumane -- settler colonialism practiced in the rest of the latin america has relatively few such indigenous nations still going today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) First peoples of Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (6 children) That's an incorrect and dumb thing to say. Pretty sure the ol US of A exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) To quote a famous Georgian political activist and philosopher, "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and culture." The US Empire is a settler-colony, and as such does not constitute an actual nation, though it is a state with citizens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago There's also notably a South America, which contains zero parts of the USA. permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online -3 points 1 month ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (4 children) Dang that's messed up, I hope things get better for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (10 children) America is not a nation. There are indigenous nations, but the idea of an "American nation" is a fiction to justify the ongoing process of settler-colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) There are indigenous nations fwiw: the ones that survived and are still coherent/organized enough to still be considered a nation represent a cultural/social/linguistic minority in north & central america -- an overwhelming majority no longer have a nation to claim as their own and the trend becomes stronger the further away from the anglosphere you get. in other words: either the united states or mexico are closest thing they can identify with as part of a nation and this phenomenon is most prevalent in the american southwest and northern mexico -- geographically & broadly between salt lake city and mexico city. and it'll forever be odd to me that the worst colonial settler examples that the world had seen thus far in the anglosphere resulted in the most intact and cohesive indigenous nations that are still in existence today while the relatively tame -- but still outrageously inhumane -- settler colonialism practiced in the rest of the latin america has relatively few such indigenous nations still going today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) First peoples of Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (6 children) That's an incorrect and dumb thing to say. Pretty sure the ol US of A exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) To quote a famous Georgian political activist and philosopher, "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and culture." The US Empire is a settler-colony, and as such does not constitute an actual nation, though it is a state with citizens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago There's also notably a South America, which contains zero parts of the USA. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) There are indigenous nations fwiw: the ones that survived and are still coherent/organized enough to still be considered a nation represent a cultural/social/linguistic minority in north & central america -- an overwhelming majority no longer have a nation to claim as their own and the trend becomes stronger the further away from the anglosphere you get. in other words: either the united states or mexico are closest thing they can identify with as part of a nation and this phenomenon is most prevalent in the american southwest and northern mexico -- geographically & broadly between salt lake city and mexico city. and it'll forever be odd to me that the worst colonial settler examples that the world had seen thus far in the anglosphere resulted in the most intact and cohesive indigenous nations that are still in existence today while the relatively tame -- but still outrageously inhumane -- settler colonialism practiced in the rest of the latin america has relatively few such indigenous nations still going today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) First peoples of Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) First peoples of Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago the indigenous people of canada probably have it the best out of everyone else and i suspect that carney is going to take away their resources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (6 children) That's an incorrect and dumb thing to say. Pretty sure the ol US of A exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) To quote a famous Georgian political activist and philosopher, "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and culture." The US Empire is a settler-colony, and as such does not constitute an actual nation, though it is a state with citizens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago There's also notably a South America, which contains zero parts of the USA. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) To quote a famous Georgian political activist and philosopher, "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and culture." The US Empire is a settler-colony, and as such does not constitute an actual nation, though it is a state with citizens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I'm pretty sure the USA counts on all those points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) The settlers do not qualify, though, just like Israelis do not have a claim to nationhood in Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Ok permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago 👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago There's also notably a South America, which contains zero parts of the USA. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online -3 points 1 month ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (4 children) Dang that's messed up, I hope things get better for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (4 children) Dang that's messed up, I hope things get better for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Did your day get better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago Check the profile, this dude is constantly angry and wonders why people aren't friendly to him. He'll even tell you to kill yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leg@leminal.space 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) You embody everything wrong with America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leg@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago Woosh. I'm saying you are portraying exactly the traits that make America suck. Including the poor reading comprehension. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent