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[–] 43 points 2 months ago (23 children)

This is a discussion I have in my ethics classes. I like to use Kohlberg's Model of moral development (one of many options) as the framework for the discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

Under than model, all too many people (upwards of 40% in one study) get stuck at level 4, which means they see the law as the moral system. Dangerous thinking that's often how bullies, political evils, and Authoritarians gain power over the public. Once they can control the laws, those people will just follow along because they can't even envision how challenging the law for humanity's well-being is even possible.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Stage 7: we are just another species on this rock. What if a Rhesus Ape dominated and burned forests for their crop, littered persistent and poisonous plastic everywhere? Would you also sometimes get mad like Elephants do?


    Right?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    That's true, but the purpose of laws is to establish a bare minimum of satisfactory behavior in contemporary society.

    That is to say, people who don't understand why you shouldn't steal things, are still held to that standard of behavior.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    if that was the case, the stealing class wouldn't have robbed people for hundreds of years. yet, stealing is now called “profit.”

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Very strong I'm-13-and-this-is-deep energy. Well done.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    don't snipe at people 'cause they understand society better than you do. that's exactly why you should be taking notes instead of talking back.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Do I have to take my notes in the existing shower thoughts format or can I transcribe to plain english?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ah, so this is the first reply from that "moth" character. Arrogant, self-absorbed, doing whatever he pleases, acting like everyone else is beneath him, and always putting on that preachy little act. He's just a complete lowlife. Or, more accurately - a clown. Truly, a legend in his own mind. 🤣👉🤡👈🤣

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I find most of the anarchists difficult to engage with.

    I was the same in my early 20s.

    I think there's a saying, the more you learn the less you know. Or sonething.

    I certainly feel like I know less now than I felt I did in my 20s.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    What do you mean? Do you mean he’s an anarchist?

    No wonder—anarchists aren’t very intelligent, because anyone with normal intelligence can see that it doesn’t work.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    No idea why this is being downvoted.

    The underlying theory behind The Holocaust, chattle slavery, and segregation was the upholding of property rights. @im_fine_sandy@nord.pub has the problem dead to rights. Holding property above people consistently leads to hypercriminalization of the underclass.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Because im_fine_sandy is fine with the rule makers owning private properties and capitalization, otherwise they wouldn't demand lawyering be a convention for morality.

    Morality existed far longer than laws and court.

    Anarchists are saying lawyering made rulers ruler.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    Anarchists are saying lawyering made rulers ruler.

    Wait, what?

    Which Anarchist has ever said this?

    Morality existed far longer than laws and court.

    Morality without consensus, which leads to conflict and violence

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Plenty

    Morality without consensus, which leads to conflict and violence

    Self-belief, or do you have anthropological evidence demonstrating otherwise?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Plenty

    I can't find this quote anywhere in here.

    Self-belief

    Doesn't settle disputes

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Better keep on reading then. ’Cause even both young Marx & Conservative Marx wrote extensively on lawmakers, law enforcement, and courts. Not that I approve of his ideas, I honestly doubt you read even both eras of Marx to be unaware of why laws exist.

    Self-belief

    Thank you for acknowledging it was your uneducated opinion, and not something I have yet to peer review. Altruism even exists among insects.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    both young Marx & Conservative Marx wrote extensively on lawmakers, law enforcement, and courts

    Not in a way that aligns with your beliefs.

    Thank you for acknowledging it was your uneducated opinion

    If you use words, it helps for you to know what they mean.

    Altruism even exists among insects.

    Altruism isn't conflict resolution.

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