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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

You're refusing to look at how the killing accelerated under Trump and you fucking dare to accuse us of not caring?

Everybody who looked and thought for 2 seconds predicted it would be worse under Trump, tried to stop Trump, and you didn't care because you refused to believe it could be worse under Trump, and then you claim the moral high ground for rejecting evidence

There is more genocide and imperialism because Trump got another term

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

The killing factually decelerated under Trump.

That's not to defend him or his plans of turning Gaza into a beachfront resort, but factually, the killing is no where near as bad as it was under Biden.

You predicted it in 2 seconds, we lived through the live streamed genocide from day one, you're wrong, and it's disgusting how smug you are about it.

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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

LOOK AT THE CHARTS

You're just blatantly lying here, the charts fucking jolt up under Trump, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED and insists on just believing your gut!

YOU'RE the smug fuck for refusing to look

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Are those charts in the room with us, asshole?

I bring receipts: https://data.techforpalestine.org/

Under Biden, until 19th of January 2025, 47,724 killed. This number does not include the bodies never recovered or accounted for because they were vaporized, are still under rubble, or the entire family line was wiped off and noone was left to report them gone. The Lancet estimated 75 200 violent deaths between 7 October 2023, and 5 January, 2025 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext). But we'll stick to the official number that Biden over and over called untrustworthy. 47,724

By the time Biden was out of office, over 90 fucking percent of housing in Gaza was damaged or destroyed, you ghoul.

As of 10 September 2026, the official number is 74,784. That's only 27,060 under Trump.

If you want the daily rate under both that's 101.3 killed ever day under Biden (again way under reported) and 44.95 per day under Trump.

LOOK AT THE CHARTS, asshole.

Edit: and I'm not the first one to point out your misrepresentation of the data, so you already knew the numbers you're using are cumulative, and you're still spreading your rewriting of history to defend Democrats and their genocide.

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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Your fucking receipts shows the slope increased in 2025

WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 2025

That's Trump, killing increased under Trump

Then killing shifted to Lebanon and Iran and you call that a win

Hypocrite.

You're looking at nothing else than start and stop dates, completely ignoring actual events on the ground, why they happened, and what happened elsewhere. You're ignoring the fact that Netanyahu wanted Trump elected and was happy he was elected, and that Netanyahu managed to get Trump to kill innocent civilians in Iran.

After the initial bombings in dense areas, Biden got Netanyahu to slow down killing. Trump intentionally allowed it to accelerate. Trump said "finish them off". Trump want the region cleared off people. You see that extremely clearly in the slopes in your own page. It only slowed down in Palestine near 2026 because the war shifted to other countries in the region.

But maybe you think Iranian civilians don't matter.

https://imhojournal.org/articles/what-is-new-in-the-genocidal-war-on-palestine-under-trump/

Here's reporting that doesn't shy away from telling the truth about Trump rather than pretending the truce was real.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/how-trumps-ceasefires-are-failing-stop-middle-east-violence-2026-06-04/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-strike-gaza-death-toll-trump-hamas-ceasefire-b2717304.html

Will you listen to your own? Trump even ended up worse than many of their predictions. He started a joint war with Israel against Iran, against their assumptions.

https://al-shabaka.org/roundtables/trumps-return-implications-for-the-palestinian-struggle/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/us/politics/trump-gaza.html - shooting yourselves in the feet

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