▲ 254 ▼ Wind Power Produced 140% Of Electricity Demand in Denmark (cleantechnica.com) submitted 2 months ago by sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al to c/energy@slrpnk.net 51 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 2 months ago (9 children) most hydrogen is produced from natural gas unfortunately :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago (8 children) It is currently. But cheap renewable energy makes renewable hydrogen a more viable option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (7 children) it's currently about 5x the cost to produce so i think some other incentives are probably needed as well... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Currently, but a large part of that cost is due to energy prices. If you have cheaper energy, or periods of excess energy that bring the cost down to/near zero, that is what brings down the cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (5 children) if only we actually got there... here the prices have been climbing more and more the more wind turbines we install because of grid instability. honestly a great pilot area for energy storage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago (8 children) It is currently. But cheap renewable energy makes renewable hydrogen a more viable option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (7 children) it's currently about 5x the cost to produce so i think some other incentives are probably needed as well... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Currently, but a large part of that cost is due to energy prices. If you have cheaper energy, or periods of excess energy that bring the cost down to/near zero, that is what brings down the cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (5 children) if only we actually got there... here the prices have been climbing more and more the more wind turbines we install because of grid instability. honestly a great pilot area for energy storage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (7 children) it's currently about 5x the cost to produce so i think some other incentives are probably needed as well... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Currently, but a large part of that cost is due to energy prices. If you have cheaper energy, or periods of excess energy that bring the cost down to/near zero, that is what brings down the cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (5 children) if only we actually got there... here the prices have been climbing more and more the more wind turbines we install because of grid instability. honestly a great pilot area for energy storage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Currently, but a large part of that cost is due to energy prices. If you have cheaper energy, or periods of excess energy that bring the cost down to/near zero, that is what brings down the cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (5 children) if only we actually got there... here the prices have been climbing more and more the more wind turbines we install because of grid instability. honestly a great pilot area for energy storage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (5 children) if only we actually got there... here the prices have been climbing more and more the more wind turbines we install because of grid instability. honestly a great pilot area for energy storage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Variable tariffs are an option here and can give you periods of very cheap, free or even negative cost energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago Think of negative cost energy as paying someone to dispose of something you don't need, like how trash haulers get paid to take stuff away. If we get to the point where we have a bunch of generation for peak demand plus storage, and still have excess energy in other times, we can and should investigate fixing that excess energy into stable chemical molecules that are useful for other things (whether it's good for a material, for energy storage, for some other consumable like fertilizer, or even simply reversing carbon emissions by fixing carbon into stable non-CO2 compounds). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) here too, but it doesn't really help the people who live in apartments :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) No but I don't expect you to make hydrogen or ammonia in your apartment beyond perhaps some hydrogen chemistry experiments for fun. Ammonia is probably a bit much to do at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) depends on what i had the night before Edit: i was thinking more of the flexible tariffs... permalink fedilink source parent