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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (35 children)

I’m always curious when I see statements like this how exactly Black people and Native Americans are deserving of any of this…

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (23 children)

Black people and first Nations suffer from the USA imperialism and American terrorism

Those patriot system are their to protect American imperialism, assets not the regular civilians

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (22 children)

I’m not understanding how you’re arguing against my point…

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (21 children)

I don't understand what black people and First Nations has anything to do with my commenta bout the USA deserving it

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (20 children)

I took your comment to mean that the US deserves to have its money wasted. So I’m asking what did Native Americans and Black people do to deserve their money being wasted on American imperialism?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (19 children)

I want the war to end and for the USA to stop it's imperialism. Unfortunalty the USA need massive damages to be forced out

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (18 children)

Okay. Me too. But you didn’t answer my question.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (17 children)

When I say the USA I m referring to the state it has nothing to do with First Nations

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (16 children)

The state doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Anything that happens to the state happens to the people.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (15 children)

It is not my fault or Iran fault that the USA started this war of aggression, any act of self defense need to be celebrated. Let see your consistency do Russia deserve to be attacked for starting a war of aggression on Ukraine?

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (14 children)

No, the Russian people do not deserve to be punished for the bullshit that Putin and his oligarchs are doing.

Now let’s see how consistent you are. Does Europe deserve to be attacked for invading the US and forcing my people off their land? How for about invading Canada? Australia?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (13 children)

I asked about Russia not russians

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Now let’s see how consistent you are. Does Europe deserve to be attacked for invading the US and forcing my people off their land? How for about invading Canada? Australia?

You are comparing an invasion that happen long time ago and ended to the usa currently invading and terrorizing the whole world?

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (12 children)

Where do you think Russians live?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

Not my point. Do the state of russia deserve to be attacked for invading Ukraine?

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (10 children)

I already answered your question. Answer mine or leave me alone.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (9 children)

I edited my other comment and answered my question. And no you did not answer my question I asked about russia as a state not russians .

Answer mine or leave me alone.

Imagine starting a conversation with another person and then asking that person to leave you alone

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

i already answered your question.

How long does it take to not matter any more then? Has Israel been there too long to give land back?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (7 children)

i already answered your question.

You didn't

How long does it take to not matter any more then?

When the colonization policies ended, France is not ethnically cleansing people in African countries or in Quebec, and the British are not ethnically cleansing Americans and Canadians today.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

So you are saying that Russia just needs to stop invading then and they can keep the land?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

Keeping the land that belong to Ukraine when russian already have russia as their home is imperialist policies

Are you saying First Nations should kick out all the decedents of the colonizers from Canada and the USA?

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

Yes. I genuinely believe that giving Georgia back to the Cherokees etc. should be on the table.

But you specifically said that there was a length of time after which it wouldn’t matter. So how long does Russia need to keep Crimea for it to stop being part of Ukraine?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

There is a systematic campaign of persecution, forced displacement, and cultural erasure targeting the indigenous Crimean Tatar population and ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea so again you are throwing irrelevant things to the topic

Yes. I genuinely believe that giving Georgia back to the Cherokees etc. should be on the table.

Againt avoiding my questions. I answer yours and you ignore mine and answer your own questions you invented

Are you saying First Nations should kick out all the decedents of the colonizers from Canada and the USA?

I start to believe you are a troll

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

I said yes. How am I a troll when you keep ignoring me?

Honestly I am about to just block you. You aren’t even being consistent in your stance.

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[+] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children)

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Bye Felicia!

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

Felicia is you, who can't answer questions

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

There’s a difference between the residents/citizens of a country and the country itself. If there weren’t, no country could ever deserve an attack, because every country has babies.

Edit: I guess the Holy See probably doesn’t have many babies, but it’d also be basically impossible to attack them and not Italy

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (9 children)

No country does deserve an attack…

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I think countries which colonize or repeatedly, unprovokedly attack other nations, or which commit genocide against or enslave people (internationally or domestically) deserve to be attacked. I absolutely get it if you don’t though, and I’m not trying to convince you.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I think that more thought needs to be put into it when you are talking about a country that was originally invaded by Europe.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you are talking about US then native Americans are the ones who were invaded. They are a part of the current country but it is the Europeans who are the country now making more than 50% of the population. And the colonisers deserve every pain they can get.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

White people don’t make up more than 50% of the population in several states. It’s only 55% nation wide and that is based on self identification. I know people who are 1/2 Black who still only check the white box (my grandpa in this case).

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

I was speaking of the nation which voted in the orange turd to show its true colours. Don't gloss over the fact that Trump is the white nationalist's fever dream.

White people don’t make up more than 50% of the population in several states.

The federal government is trying to remedy that fact with the help of several of those states.

All those doesn't change the fact that the nation today is the country of those invaders with people they invaded and did genocide, and people who were brought there to be slaves. Saying the country was invaded by Europeans is like saying Europeans invaded Palestine or Levant. Though technically true Today's Israel is made up of majority European Jews.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

That’s doesn’t really have anything to do with the point of the comment you originally replied to.

At the end of the day the problem has never been just one country.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

The united states of america was never invaded by Europeans. The invaders who did genocide over native population founded the country the comment is about. The government is representative of the country majority of which are Europeans. It doesn't matter what the states are made up of.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago

Okay… even if I accepted that what does it have to do with my original point that people of color don’t deserve to be punished for the acts of the US government?

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

That’s fair. I’ve done my own thinking about this, and I’m not the poster who said the US deserves to be bombed. This conversation doesn’t lend itself to an online platform though, as only one perspective is actually legal for me to espouse.