cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/33487836

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST

The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.

Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.

In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

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[+] -12 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Literally giving aid to Palestinians or threatening to stop funding Israel is seen as helping the aggressor protect itself from the consequences of their actions. Pretty straightforward. A lot of people see all the genocide as 100% justified.

Hamas did some really brutal shit. That doesn't justify murdering people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Only person here making pro-genocide arguments here is you.

    Fucking both-siding genocidal fuck.

    You're not clever and it is clear what you are doing.

    Edit: to be absolutely clear: you are pro-genocide and you're trying to justify it by sounding anti-genocide. But you, personally, are bad at rheoteric, and it would be clear to a child what you are doing.

    Israel should be their own nation. No money for anything to a country committing genocide.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Israel should be their own nation. No money for anything to a country committing genocide.

    Agreed

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Only one country is committing genocide.

    Furthermore, resistance against occupiers is not only legal but enshrined in international law.

    Apartheid countries, like Israel, are inherently occupiers.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I agree on the first part.

    On the rest, are you saying you support the Oct 7th attacks?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Are you saying that you think violent resistance against people killing and kidnapping your children is wrong?

    How would you resist people killing and kidnapping your children?

    Do you condemn John Brown? Do you condemn the ANC's violent resistance against the apartheid government of South Africa? Do you condemn the black people of Rhodesia fighting their occupiers?

    Or, maybe a better example of your moral cowardice, you would have condemned the Warsaw Uprising.

    EDIT: Do you you also demand people condemn Nat Turner?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You really called me pro-genocide because I said you should be careful justifying "consequences", and you're out here advocating BUTCHERING women and children.

    You're literally the same as them. Bye.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I called you pro-genocide because you are trying to imply that the palestinians are morally the same as the IDF. Get it right if you're going to try and reference what I said.

    You're literally justifying genocide. Bye.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I condemned IDF's genocide and Hamas' terrorism. Killing babies is bad no matter who pulls the trigger. You're the one making the justifications.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    So, to be clear, you do condemn Nat Turners slave uprising?

    You condemn ANC's necklacing people? You condemn the terrorism that created Israel? You condemn any violence that results in peoples liberation?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    How does restricting Israel's defense assets from the United States, which they are perfectly capable of manufacturing on their own, result in murdering people? Is the United States immediately going to strike Israel with missiles?

    The only people claiming that giving Aid to Palestinians is funding terrorists are Israel in the United States everybody else pretty universally agrees they giving Aid the Palestinians is not funding "terrorist" groups. This is an especially stupid example given the fact that Bibi has admitted to funding Isis groups to disrupt Hamas activities as recently as last month.

    a lot of people all see the genocide as 100% Justified.

    Yeah so did the Germans in World War II. That's a wonderful argument you're making. 🤦

    So I'm going to predict you're not going to give me a straight answer because you and I both know what the answer actually is. But let's try this again so that you can at least try to prove that you're not just a fool who came in here without any fact to back up your opinion.

    How does removing $500 million of United States tax dollars from the Israeli defense assets endorse genocide, and as a follow-up, justify murder?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The real problem is how she handled it. It's a weak, but coherent, position.

    She's crashing out over it. She's responding to genuine criticism with accusations of being fake leftists... It's not a good look

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I'm not commenting on all the bait. Most of that is you arguing with an imaginary person in your head. Hurting innocent people is bad. Fuck Hamas and IDF. Take from that whatever you want.

    But this is funny.

    Yeah so did the Germans in World War II. That's a wonderful argument you're making. 🤦

    It's like you ALMOST got what I was saying. But you're so wrapped up in yourself that you missed where I was saying genocide is bad.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    You're such a coward.

    Couldn't answer the very simple question of how restricting funding to Israel is endorsing a genocide or justifying murder.

    I was entirely right in my prediction of your response in my last comment. This is an excellent example of a red herring fallacy and a great way to try and avoid answering the above question.

    A lot of people see all the genocide as 100% justified

    This yours? 🙄

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I never said it did. There's your answer.

    This yours? 🙄

    Like I said, you missed literally the only point I was making. And you're not interested in changing that.

    Keep being angry at nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Would you mind reading the username there?

    Wow. Eptiome of honor here. I bow to your "holy" presence.

    Definitely not a cowardly intellectually dishonest sophist.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Do you think all consequences of aggressors are justified?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Still not an answer to the question. One that you posed.

    I see you're dodging your own quotation.

    A lot of people see all the genocide as 100% justified

    Who cares how much support there is for a genocide? why even bring that up? I'm 100% sure you won't answer this either.

    Do you think all consequences of aggressors are justified?

    I think imposing any consequences on the aggressors of a genocide would be a good start.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I care. I don't want any support for genocide. Because then you get genocide.

    Do you think all consequences for the aggressor are justified?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    The obvious and moral position is that nobody should support genocide.

    Which is why I don't care who supports genocide. If you support any form of genocide your opinion automatically is worthless to me.

    Who cares who supports genocide? Those people can be instantly discounted.

    Your question is inane. Answer my previous question if you want an answer to this. You have yet to answer anything I've posited. It's an interesting technique to impose your own question and demand an answer when you have answered none.

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