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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

They’re still in NATO, so several countries in the EU will still have a defense obligation.

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[–] Kyrias@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

NATO member with no military. Just in the alliance for airspace access. No one is going to war with the US over that.

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You might be surprised what happens when a bunch of countries suddenly have an excuse to band together against the US. Any individual country probably wouldn’t, but the US is in a different position since the Iran War and there’s safety in numbers.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

More so when the us is as stupid and weak as it is now. They have ran out of guided munitions for example, still stuck in Iran and looking very less like a super power everyday.

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[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Ultimately, capitalism devours everything in the name of expanded profit, including a nation's very ability to defend itself.

The logic if you want it:

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Defense contractors have enshittified the defense industry. The defense department is as captured by industry as every regulatory department. And what's most profitable for defense contractors? If your goal is just raw percentage per year profit margin? You want to produce limited numbers of extreme profit-per-item. As long as demand is guaranteed, you want to be selling a handful of handbuilt supercars rather than millions of cheap Toyotas. And while each one does some really amazing work, there just isn't a credible way to produce these things at the rates we need at a cost the US can actually afford to pay for. The US budget is already at the precipice of a debt crisis. Capitalism seems to devour everything in the end. The environment. Our sense of worth as human beings. The very dignity of art itself. Even critiques of capitalism become monetized. Ultimately, even basic national defense. What a quirk of history if it turns out that what ultimately does in capitalist hegemony is simple military inferiority? Maybe it's just the nature of capitalist vs socialist systems that over a long-enough time period, certain kinds of socialist systems will tend to achieve greater scientific advancement and defense superiority over capitalist countries. In the grand scheme of history, I don't suppose that would be the most absurd outcome now that I think about it.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

This is actually great news for us non usa nations now. Oddly enough the scam has resulted in a non functioning murder machine, wild.

I guess this phenomenon also explains russia and others, years of chest banging and massive military force gains (on paper) while every corner is cut for profit makes for a paper tiger. I don't even think its something that goes un noticed, I think about 40 years of us navy reports screaming about not having new non capital ships or China finding out a bunch of their rocket fuel had be replaced by water. Difference seems to be less about capital and more on how the nation deals with this corruption, China for example seems to have a line that once crossed puts generals in front of firing squads where in the usa they just join the grift.

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago

It honestly could be great news for the people of the US as well in the long term. If people finally realize that the amount of money they spend on the military is completely out of sync with their military competence, maybe they will stop supporting it and instead invest in things that actually benefit them.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago

Well, if the US first wants to go through Greenland, that's a non-issue