Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk

Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.

While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls ⁠showed, putting the far right within reach ​of power at ‌the state level for ‌the first time since the second world war.

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[–] 127 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (84 children)

Now watch as "liberals" continue to do nothing to stop the fascist propaganda machines causing the spread of the mental illness, because they are bankrolled by the fascists in the corporate economic elite.

They'll also continue sowing the seeds of fascism by colluding with the elite to extract wealth from the population. Buckle up. All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

The Weimar Republic did the same god damn thing.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Ppl vote them because other (big) parties dont address their problems. Also % thresholds for democratic participation keeps smaller parties with reasonable programmes away from the table. Wasnt too long ago EU intruduced this. So this is the consequence of continous political failure. I'd also argue voters are aware they get robbed by politicians accepting bribes direct or indirect. And they vote any party (falsely here, see tesla feat) promising to crack down on the old political class. Trump did the same (but didnt follow through obv).

    People are desperate.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago (62 children)

    As usual, the conservatives are given a pass and then liberals assigned all the blame.

    This place is absolute fucking joke.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    There may be a gap here in the definition of "liberal". Liberalism is a political philosophy that also encompasses most traditional conservatives. It is different from the colloquial usage. It's loosely defined as the belief in individual freedoms, including the right to private property. It is inherently capitalist and therefore socialists, communists and anarchists generally do not consider them to be of the left.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Often conflated but Marx and Engels themselves draw a distinction between socialism and communism. They consider socialism a stepping stone to communism.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    If you split yourself off the "left in the widest sense" you have 5 percent of the votes and you are essentially meaningless. Stuck to your values but meaningless.

    The left does not need more splitting while the right manages to rally behind one or two people.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    As I say, liberals believe in capitalism by definition. The impact of your vote once every few years in an election under this system pales in comparison to the influence that the owner class have due to their wealth and power. This is fundamental. This is why you get all the anti-liberal sentiment from anti-capitalists.

    Furthermore you talk about convincing some percentage of voters in order to change the system. The early turnout figure for this election is 54% and that's considered high... What of the non voters?

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  • [–] 53 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    No they aren't. The liberals and conservatives are both being blamed because they are both part of the problem. 2 sides of the same coin.

    Liberals are being assigned blame because they are worthy of blame.

    Conservatives know they are to blame, telling them that does nothing. Liberals think they are helping the working class and at the very least are discomforted when confronted with the reality of their actions (sometimes).

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    We don't have liberals or a two party system or whatever you have in the US.

    This dumb Propaganda shit on lemmy that the left is to blame for the fascism that people voted for really bores me by now.

    None of this is the lefts fault.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    In the US, the neoliberals have held power over the Democrat party since Ronald Reagan was president in the 1980s. Liberal is shorthand for neoliberal and are considered left here. They are very much to blame for the current state of the US. They offshored jobs, busted unions, weakened education, and cut welfare programs to benefit the elites just like the conservatives have.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Surely liberal isn’t short for neoliberal.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    But you also don't have any left at all, which doesn't help.

    Even fucking bsw has a point when calling die linke just another socdem party. And neither of these party is even doing well in the urns.

    From a French PoV, German politics are really cooked. Overton window is more right wing than us, and the votes are also more concentrated to the right.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's their go to.

    Like yeah, milquetoast policies ultimately lead us here but they have more fury for the people doing moderately OK but ultimately unsatisfactory things than the people actually going hog wild, robbing everyone blind, instituting fascism, etc.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Liberals are fascist collaborators and work on behalf of the elites. The sooner liberals are gone the faster we can fix these issues. Conservatives are just plain evil.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You must not be from the US then. It's already happening here. Many progressive candidates are either beating the liberals or nearly beating them. I expect that to keep happening too. I was a lifelong liberal voter and even voted for Kamala in '24, but I won't make that mistake again. Liberals do not have the best interests of the working class in mind and they've made that crystal clear. Hell, they don't even have the best interests of human life in mind.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (26 children)

    Sometimes I think it must be a psyops by the billionaires to divide and demoralize the left. Then I remember some people are just so dumb.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (21 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    Literally the start of left politics is anti-capitalist. Literally, liberals aren't leftists.

    I recognize that "the left" in America is the democratic party. That's a you problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And thats kinda where the term 'liberal' comes from

    It means that they want to 'LIBERALly restructure and readjust the capitalistic economy and societies so thst these ecoonomies and society favour them and their cronies'

    There has NEVER been a liberal ideology that has explicitly stated we shall destroy capitalism eternally. They always say 'structurally readjust capitalism'

    Meanwhile the socialists and anarchists are the ONLY people who have ever said they want to eternally destroy capitalistic economids and societies to thst they favour the workers collectively or that they favour individual , loose communities .

    Anyone who calls themselves a 'leftist' but isnt an anarchist or socialist can EASILY be outed as a rightist with a. few questions. I have never encountered a single person that has proven that Im wrong about this. And I never will lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (13 children)

    Incorrect, lol. Nice try though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    Leftists want the workers to own the means of production. That's the baseline.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    I thought we were past fallacies when you replied "yeah, nah", lmao.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    That's what I've been saying about you this whole time!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Lot of you loser have been chomping at the bit to point the finger back at other, Germany had one state flip not the nation as a whole, and not the eu as a whole either, no in any way the same as americas failure at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    No, not as much as the role of the national liberal DNVP (which Hindenburg was effectively a part of, too) and partially the Social Democrats collaborating with the Nazis to kill the communist party. It was the liberals.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    Now watch as “liberals” continue to do nothing

    This comment is so ignorant about the reality it hurts.
    There are many actual legal actions taken against AfD and AfD members already, including a period of time where AfD was not allowed to receive briefings regarding national security, something that is a right for all members of the Bundestag.

    Personally I'm sad they didn't get a majority, because that's probably the best cure, people need to see how damaging their policies are, and how stupid they really are. AfD is a protest party, people vote for because they are unhappy with the current situation. Caused by Covid, Ukraine War, Russian energy sanctions against EU before the Ukraine war that was very damaging to German industries, and now Eu sanctions against Russia that have similar effect. Followed by the damage on energy supplies like wood pellets from the Ukraine war, and on top of all that Trumps ridiculous tariffs and the effects of the Iran war.
    This is at the same time we have increased competition from China.

    Europe has been in a perfect storm for nearly a decade now caused by outside forces. Except of course Brexit can be argued to not be outside when that happened. And although Brexit was far worse for UK, it was also damaging to EU.

    AfD is by far the strongest in the old Communist Eastern Germany, because despite massive support from the old Western Germany they feel cheated, and some accuse the politicians of privatizing only to the advantage of West Germany. They simply refuse to realize how far behind they were economically at the time.

    On top of all the above Putin has made a massive effort of misinformation in Germany, to promote the extreme right, and dissatisfaction. Despite we are actually doing pretty well in EU considering the circumstances this past decade.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    There are many actual legal actions taken against AfD and AfD members already, including a period of time where AfD was not allowed to receive briefings regarding national security, something that is a right for all members of the Bundestag.

    But nothing to actually solve ordinary people's problems and show that there's a way other than fascism. In the absence of that, defensive democracy is nothing more than theater.

    people vote for because they are unhappy with the current situation. Caused by Covid, Ukraine War, Russian energy sanctions against EU before the Ukraine war that was very damaging to German industries, and now Eu sanctions against Russia that have similar effect. Followed by the damage on energy supplies like wood pellets from the Ukraine war, and on top of all that Trumps ridiculous tariffs and the effects of the Iran war. This is at the same time we have increased competition from China.

    Yeah, it's all those evil foreigners. It can't be the awful mismanagement of the political establishment. Housing crisis? No way.

    PS: The impact of Ukraine on energy prices is a direct consequence of EU countries slow-walking decarbonization.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Personally I'm sad they didn't get a majority, because that's probably the best cure, people need to see how damaging their policies are, and how stupid they really are.

    Be careful what you wish for. That’s the attitude America had that earned us another run of the Orange pedo.

    It was also the attitude of Weimar Germany towards the Nazi party.

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