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[–] 43 points 2 months ago (55 children)

I had a conservative friend tell me there's an entire conspiracy around this. And this guy was basically mentally unstable and convinced to bring the gun to this location.

In reality, Israel installed those pager explosives in his microphone that sent something into his neck. The main argument is that the gun used would have done significantly more damage.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Imagine getting shot with that caliber and not having your neck turn to jello while literal steel can't fucking take the hit. Also imagine assembling the gun only with a screwdriver, only to have to have it disassembled again before going on a run (all while leaving the screwdriver behind) in the span of like what? 10 seconds? And then for some reason in a forest, before tossing out the evidence, he assembles it back again (with no screwdriver this time). And what a coincidence it is that he left it in a forest on Black Rocks land parcel.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I certainly am curious how this trial is going to go. My gut tells me that, just like Mangione, the prosecutors have much more data than they're giving us. Of course, Mangione pled guilty, this guy is going to have a trial.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Personally I think they were hoping for a guilty plea because whatever evidence they do have is fucked one way or another. Just kind of a guy dealing y'know? I suspect that Lash Patel probably fucked up some level of in estivation with their immediate shoving into what shouldve been a case for the local PD, Sheriff, and Utah state police. Possibly even damaging or fabricating the crime scene.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I was wondering that too. Even if he is guilty, the process was completely fucked.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Id legit be surprised if it wasn't somehow fucked. Also holy shit autocorrect fucked by comment so much. Why is it like this?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure if you're on IOS, but I feel like their keyboard has gone to shit in the past year for some reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Nah android. Also I'm using browser cause fuck it why not.

    But yeah it feels annoyingly shit more recently, usually when I misspelled a word badly enough or made a weird compound word it just kinda left it. But now it's really fucking insistent on trying to correct everything.

    Anyways theres a pretty solid chance that both our phones use the same base autocorrect systems so it probably crosses over.

    It tried to turn crosses into corpses.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    Sometimes bullets do really weird things, so I'm not saying it isn't what happened, but it was a 30-06 rifle round which really should have done signficantly more damage from that range, so it is strange at the least.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

    I know nothing about guns or bullets, but is it possible the type of gun, or the specific bullet mattered?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    No, not really. The type of gun doesn't make a difference aside from the length of the barrel, but that's pretty negligible for anything remotely normal (i.e. not a ~4-10inch barrel in this case).

    Same thing with the cartridge/bullet, total energy varies bullet to bullet, but again, in a negligible way.

    The real explanation is that the damage people expect from this cartridge is caused by hydrostatic shock: the shockwave caused by the bullet entering and slowing down significantly (transferring energy). Hitting somewhere soft and without much muscle mass, the side of the neck, let the bullet pass through without transferring a ton of energy.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't they rush to change the concrete pathing like the day after?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Fun fact, the company that paved is also israeli and quickly dissolved after doing that job. Company closed soon after the job was done. It's literally nothing suspicious, Charlies neck can just do that, companies also do that sometimes too... it's just average actions. Nothing to see here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    No... I said that a 30.06 cartridge can be loaded to multiple pressures and fire different weight projectiles. All effecting total muzzle energy, but without some really funky loads, it's not deviating enough from the norm to cause the effect OP described in their conspiracy theory.

    How do you possibly take the whole of my explanation and think that I'm trying to say the say the bullet type doesn't matter?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The type of gun can matter, for example an autoloading rifle is not quite as powerful as a bolt action rifle because it uses some of the energy to cycle the bolt and load the next bullet. The shooter allegedly used a bolt action rifle, though, which should basically be "the most powerful" type of rifle.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    The type of bullet definitely, 100% matters. Some bullets have more mass than other bullets, and the material of the bullet can be harder or softer. All of that will affect the type of damage. The amount of powder used to fire the bullet also affects its kinetic energy when hitting the target.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yea, no. 7.62×63mm will take out a moose and not one hunter will tell you that "yea, sometimes they do weird things, man". It will take you out easily. They even said that "he had strong bones", nah... nah he didn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Do we have loads of data on bullets being shot at this exact location at this exact range against a real human? Nobody can predict this, no matter how much they love their guns.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Yes.

    The 30.06 rifle has literally killed tens of thousands of people at every range imaginable. It is easily among the most well studied weapons on earth. This is easily among the most common weapons in the United States and this cartridge was the standard issue rifle cartridge for both world wars.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Who's the guy with experience/expertise on this subject saying it should have done more damage?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t consider most conservative hunters and shooters to actually be very skilled or knowledgeable. This is based very heavily on a lot of experience and interactions. A human neck bone will definitely stop a 30-06. It might be a flesh sack of spine gravel, but having no explosion of gore is not a surprise.

    It was the most effective way to get him to shut up though. Really cute that it happened after he got dog walked so publicly by the Cambridge student.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah Candace Owens is big on this stuff. It's all about converting the antisemitism-curious leftists into antisemitic fascists.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Well, Charlie Kirk did say things against Israel in his final days. It seems like he was questioning things, if you look deeper.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Conspiracy theories fail as soon as you ask, what is the motive?

    What would the motive for Israel to assassinate Charlie Kirk as opposed to Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson? Those are the people promoting these conspiracy theories, so why would they get a pass?

    Obvious conspiracy theory, promoted by obvious anti-semites. You should look into the history of the people promoting this bullshit a little more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Weird question, but Charlie Kirk was more than just a podcaster. He was actively forming huge communities by being present in schools and uni campuses. He reached youngsters like the ones you mentioned never could. And now what happened to Turning Point USA after his death? It embraced becoming fully pro Israel, that wouldn't have happened if Kirk was alive.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

    I don't believe that conspiracy, but I do believe this kid was set up. This is what gangstalking is for. Manipulating loners or people that don't meet social standards.

    Of course there would be a government website talking shit about it.

    For those that want a straight forward description beyond the conspiracy/schitzo bullshit. This stuff isn't new at all... These concepts etc. When some people realize this is truth they will be wishing there was a God. Or more truthfully they will tuck their dicks and live for them like Nazi sympathizers.; https://www.reddit.com/r/TargetedSolutions/s/XT2625ztu9

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    People upvoting you need to know that this is not a thing.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39365495/

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    There’s a gangstalking subreddit; go give it a look.

    You’ll see plenty of people posting on there about how “the followers” only appear when said poster has just finished smoking their bowl of meth. They’ll ask: Are the stalkers following them to steal their crank, or is the meth opening a vision of true reality and “unmasking” the followers?

    And weirdly, no one can say for sure.

    I’m not joking at all: These are the people you’re white-knighting. Maybe you can be the brave hero who solves the mystery for them?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    So the Charlie Kirk shooter is a meth head that was seeing things? You guys seem to be trying to muddy up the waters, which is what I suspected all along.

    And what exactly is being "whiteknighted" here? You're trying fight a culture war or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that.

    So when I link to something talking about how gangstalking isn't a thing, you think I'm saying stalking doesn't happen?

    Please feel free to put other words in my mouth, I guess, if it makes you happy to do so.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    It was a question. Not an assertion. You're already combative. Your motives are suspect.

    You didn't answer the question btw.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I can't help if it you use improper English.

    You made a statement. Statements are ended with periods. Questions are ended with question marks.

    So, alright, now that I understand the error you made, let's re-evaluate based on that:

    Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that?

    Nope. Nobody is arguing that stalking doesn't exist.

    Is that better?

    Maybe my motives will be less suspect when we're using the same language.

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