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Sony lawyers argue that nobody is stupid enough to believe they actually own digital games, because then only one person could buy GTA 6 (www.gamesradar.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The counterargument to that is pretty straightforward..

Books, and other physical media have no inherent time limit on the use. So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids. I do not own the copywrited material, but I do own the physical copy.

So the reasonable expectation of ownership of the copy when the terms "Buy" or "Purchase" is used , is it's a permanent purchase of the copy. We have a clear terms for time limited purchases, it's called "Rent" or "Borrow".

Therefore the retailers using the terms "Buy" or "Purchase" deliberately decieved the customers for the terms of the purchase aka fraud.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids

    What?!

    Maybe if your buying archival quality hardbacks and never taking them off the shelf...

    Thinking every book will last 40-90 years is not reasonable.

    But to be honest, most takes I've seen about this hasn't been reasonable

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I have cheap paperbacks from the 1960's and 70's I bought at a second hand bookstore in the 90's on my shelf.

    They are fragile and yellow but still sticking together on my shelves and for when I want to reread them. It helps that I live in a region with low humidity.

    Hell I gave a few books I inherited from my great-grandmother from 1910-1920. They were on decent paper but not the best quality.

    Most of my cookbooks are 40-50 years old now and they are pretty beat up but still in reasonable condition.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I searched to check...

    Paperbacks average 10-20, hardbacks 40-60.

    But obviously that's not every book. The more it's read and the thicker it is the faster the spine falls apart. Obviously a hardback threaded together with heavy paper is better than pulp and cheap glue. But there's a lot in between the extremes.

    I could buy a cheap paperback, throw it on a shelf, and it will look perfect.

    That doesn't mean the glue didn't magically degrade and it will hold together thru a normal reading tho

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    The point is that the publisher isn't going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time. It's a durable good, and whether the materials last one year or five hundred years is irrelevant to the fact that you (and all subsequent owners) have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of the book for as long as it lasts.

    When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts. That means no "always-online" requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory, no chance of access to the software being remotely revoked, and no restrictions on gifting or reselling the copy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    The point is that the publisher isn’t going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time

    But for kindle if you don't have a local copy and if it's removed from the store it's gone...

    When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts.

    Right...

    And if you don't have a local copy of the install file, "as long as it lasts" is as long as you can download it...

    That means no “always-online” requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory

    Then only buy peer to peer games.

    Anything that has corporate servers, will eventually be turned.

    I fully support you and everyone else doing that, it's the only way peer to peer servers will get better. But I honestly thought everyone understood this, it's incredibly basic but obviously a lot of people had zero idea what they were actually spending money on.

    Most importantly:

    When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software

    You're not buying a copy of the software, you're being a license to use the software.

    It's different and you not understanding the difference is why it's so upset and you don't know what to ask for to fix it.

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