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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rejoins DSA after membership lapse of seven years (www.theguardian.com)
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[+] -15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    I'm as left wing as they get but I wont support the closest American political group with a chance at getting representation in government. In fact, I'll actively denigrate and discourage others from supporting them too. That'll unlock the future I claim to want!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    If they run (or endorse, whatever) another ex-military psycho candidate with a Nazi tattoo I’m gonna really stop trusting them. Til then when they show up I’ll vote for em, sure. But absolutely no veterans and no Neo Nazi / Nazi affiliate whatsoever.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Here's a history lesson.

    Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn't vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln's position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.

    Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I literally laughed out loud when I read your comment.

    You call yourself an 'anarchist' and then get on other people for cosplaying?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not upset that you don't like unjust hierarchies, I'm amused that you picked the silliest possible way to express it.

    And I did in fact answer your question. It's not my fault you didn't understand it.

    Back in the Spanish Civil War the anarchist troops happily took orders and worked with other groups in a bigger cause.

    Reread what I wrote and really think about it.

    Here’s a history lesson.

    Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn’t vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln’s position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.

    Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ostensible

    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    And I consider myself extremely mature and thoughtful in not using a meme.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    You used 'be' instead of 'me'

    Were you trying to be funny?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    And exactly when did I claim to represent the DSA in any way?

    You wanted a reason why you should ally yourself with others.

    I showed you twice that an imperfect ally who can get things done is better than a perfect ally who can't do anything.

    But yes, take the W if it means that much to you.

    Congratulations, you won an interwebs argument with a stranger. You've done so much for your cause I can't even imagine it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    Yes I'm glad they're winning more elections this year but it really has more to do with anti-Trump, anti-tech feelings and progressive messaging than the DSA itself. They have some stupid out of touch nonsense on their website that just provides fodder to use against their candidates.

    If I ran as a progressive I'm not sure I'd affiliate with them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    DSA is the field, not the team. If you're left wing, you go there because that's where you can find left wing people to organize.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    The DSA didn't originate that slogan, and it was originally "Defund, disarm, disband the police." Anyway, how can anyone "seize the levers of power" without changing anything about how policing works in this country?

    Also, taking over the Democratic Party from the inside is literally the DSA's stated goal. Why are you so mad at them? They agree with you on this one!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's been the strategy for 10 years, since Bernie's first run.

    How's that working?

    I'm not knocking the DSA, but the idea of a left-wing takeover of the Democratic Party is less applicable than ever. Unlike 2016, the centrist Dems are well aware of the threat to their left - and it's obvious, that's the ONLY thing they're determined to stop. Which is why they're currently spending their time attacking Hassan Piker and anyone else opposing the genocide in Gaza, not Donald Trump.

    Any victory you find in the Democratic Party will be pyrric at best, imho. By the time you defeat these people, what will be left?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    How can you say it doesn't work when that's literally what maga did?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    it hasn't worked with the Democratic party. That's what happened in 2016 . . . the Dems were able to stop the revolt from the wing, the GOP was not. Now the GOP is MAGA, and the Bernie wing is contained.

    There's a few reasons for that - one of which is that the GOP process is not as controlled, and another is that the Dems were smarter than the GOP, which had already seen its leadership wounded from the Tea Party.

    The Dems didn't show that. After losing to an insane gameshow host in 2016, their leadership remained identical in 2018 and 2020. There wasn't even window dressing changes. And 2020 saw the center and party establishment firmly not only win (Biden over Bernie), but use that to systematically lock out the left. Why do you think the first primary was moved to South Carolina, a state which will NEVER go for the Dems in the general?

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