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"You dont Understand, you have to support the lesser evil" (hexbear.net)
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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9388376

Tweto by https://x.com/gaijingirl2026/status/2092235861265924137

Dem president "I will operate the foreign child crusher while being formal and respectful" libs: "Thank god we voted for you!" Republican President: "I will also operate the foreign child crusher while being rude and racist" libs: "Wtf? You are evil"
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[–] 0 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I seriously cannot understand how people believe this. Do you participate in US news discussion?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Well, if you ignore the bad things that someone does, then I can see how this can be confusing. I participate in US news discussions all the time, that's how I know that Biden is a terrible person, who did terrible things.

    If you want to be less confused, I'd recommend that you do the same.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    I'm not sure you do. You just referenced a document where you didn't know half of what was going on under Biden.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    Would you like to provide any examples of Biden doing the things I mentioned?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    Sure, heres a few of them. For future reference, there are these things called "Search engines" that let you find stuff that you don't know about. You should try them out. But something tells me that you won't do any research, and you likely won't even look into these.

    https://law.ucla.edu/news/no-fair-day-damning-new-report-reveals-biden-administrations-unlawful-treatment-children-immigration-courts

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/04/internal-documents-show-how-little-fbi-did-correct-misuse-section-702-databases

    https://news.oilandgaswatch.org/post/despite-biden-climate-promises-oil-production-on-federal-lands-is-rising

    https://www.winknews.com/news/lee/suspected-rapist-uber-driver-refuses-to-give-up-phone-password/article_9426cba4-e60c-5ce2-b516-7d39b06c99f3.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/01/steven-donziger-lawyer-sentenced-contempt-chevron

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-genocide-israel-00159020

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

    https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    https://law.ucla.edu/news/no-fair-day-damning-new-report-reveals-biden-administrations-unlawful-treatment-children-immigration-courts

    This is horrible. You could rightfully argue this does not properly count as court. Although this doesn't disprove any individual claim I made; the article mentions nothing about citizens being treated in this way, for example. Still wrong to do it of course.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/04/internal-documents-show-how-little-fbi-did-correct-misuse-section-702-databases

    This was a measure taken to increase oversight into database access, not reduce it. Agents have more access than they should, but this is a far cry from unsupervised write access to multiple agency's databases by people with no security clearance or oversight. If the point being made is about surveillance rather than unsupervised DB access: Yeah, I know the Biden admin did it too, that's why I didn't pretend it was something unique to the Trump admin.

    https://news.oilandgaswatch.org/post/despite-biden-climate-promises-oil-production-on-federal-lands-is-rising

    Looks like regulations on federal land were proposed to increase, not be removed. Continuing to lease land could plausibly count as allowing nature to be destroyed though.

    https://www.winknews.com/news/lee/suspected-rapist-uber-driver-refuses-to-give-up-phone-password/article_9426cba4-e60c-5ce2-b516-7d39b06c99f3.html

    This was not Biden? It was a state level trial. But yes, keeping him in jail for that long is highly suspect, even if he did waive his right to a speedy trial.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/01/steven-donziger-lawyer-sentenced-contempt-chevron

    Not sure which point this is supposed to disprove.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-genocide-israel-00159020

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

    https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/

    Same with these three. I don't think I made any claims about Israel or Gaza at all? Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been several days.

    Overall: You did provide several articles that, while not technically disproving any individual claim I made, make good points that the Biden admin is not entirely innocent on some of the topics related to the points I mentioned. Still, as I've probably said before, the difference in scale is important.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    ...while not technically disproving any individual claim I made...

    I love how libs constantly move the goalposts when presented with data.

    You did provide several articles that, while not technically disproving any individual claim I made, make good points that the Biden admin is not entirely innocent on some of the topics related to the points I mentioned. Still, as I’ve probably said before, the difference in scale is important.

    Yeah, it is important. While Trump is a 9/10 monster, Biden is only an 8/10 monster, who supports Trump, and helps him out with his projects.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Literally how is that moving the goalposts? I said that while Biden did bad things, it was not on the scale of what Trump did during his admin, and presented a list of specific claims I said Trump did above and beyond what other admins such as Biden's did. You disagreed, so I asked for proof of Biden doing any of the specific things I claimed. You provided evidence of Biden doing many horrible things, like previous admins did, but did not provide evidence of him doing anything I listed. I've been perfectly consistent. Can you describe how you perceived the goal as moving?

    (Also, I'm not a liberal.)

    Yeah, it is important. While Trump is a 9/10 monster, Biden is only an 8/10 monster, who supports Trump, and helps him out with his projects.

    You are free to view it that way, but it would be unreasonable to claim that is the only way to view it in light of the many differences I pointed out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I literally posted articles explaining how he did the things you listed. I'm not sure how to make that any more clear.

    (Also, I’m not a liberal.)

    Then why are you supporting them, and fighting against people who are accurately pointing out that they are monsters?

    You are free to view it that way, but it would be unreasonable to claim that is the only way to view it in light of the many differences I pointed out.

    Yes, I am able to view it correctly. But it is not unreasonable, considering that you didn't really highlight differences. You highlighted things that Biden also very much did, as evidenced above. From what I can see, the "many differences" means "he killed, tortured, raped, stole and genocided slightly less than Trump".

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    Ok, again, you are free to believe Biden and Trump's administrations are comparable, but as someone who had to live through both admins, they really aren't. You provided counterpoints which mostly did not address any of my claims, instead pointing out unrelated things I made no claims about, and made somewhat viable arguments against three of my many points-- still not actually pointing out anything Biden did worse, by the way, just things he did that were bad but that either aren't what I actually claimed (the immigration article) or that he did less than Trump (DB access, federal land). To say that this makes your view the "correct" one is ridiculous.

    Then why are you supporting them, and fighting against people who are accurately pointing out that they are monsters?

    Because I don't think it's accurate.

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