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[–] 2 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

Evil is definitely subjective.

In this context i would describe it as highly asocial behaviour and hurting others.

Most of my social circle is officially Christian, but at the mature level where god is an abstract force rather then a bearded dude in the sky.

I would find it hard to distinguish them from other mature people of other religions. With a certain open mindned… all religions do actually become similar in that they discuss philosophy on similar matters, like morality, purpose, growth

Something many people forget is that almost all religion contain a multitude of different, sometimes opposing ideologies build on a same source and share some practices.

Even geological speaking. Christianity in the US knows many cultish forms that are unique to the US.

Historically to be considered Christianity the only things that are really required

  • believe that death is not the end of life
  • believe in a singular highest being that is good in nature.
  • consider the mythological figure of Jesus to be an exemplary good rolemodel

You can be a religious and oppose the church of your own religion…. Jesus did.. many very religious people where burned for being heretics by their own church simply because their actual faith was stronger then the mindcontrol of doctorine.

There is also agnostic religious.. just like agnostics atheism which is where you accept that you cant know proof eitherway and have to made a personal choice. (Usually therefor not judging others for a different choice).

But again agnostic religious people aren’t going to talk about their personal faith unless prompted.. and definitely not in public near zealots who can accuse them of heresy.

I don’t know this. Lets say i am agnostic about this but i feel like your speaking from experiencing a very loud subgroup that does not represent the majority.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You seem to think that there's a possibility that one of the Jewish religions is true. I don't think that at all. There is literally no way in my mind that any of them can be true. It's more likely that the moon is made of blue cheese than Jesus Christ really was speaking to god, or Mohammed really was speaking to a magical flying Jew. But if you call yourself a Christian, or a Muslim, you *have* to believe this. You are not a Christian or a Muslim if you don't think the voices they heard in their head were real and supernatural.

    There's no leeway on that. It's not enough to say, "Oh but Jesus was a really nice guy, and we should copy him". You *must* believe Jesus spoke to God and God genuinely told him that he was his son. Similar for Muslims - they *must* believe Mohammed spoke with a Jewish angel.

    If I find out someone I know actually believes such complete and utter nonsense, I simply cannot look at them the same again. In my mind, they must be either immensely stupid, or hugely vain.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    You seem to think that there's a possibility that one of the Jewish religions is true.

    I have no idea how you got this but no I don’t believe any of the human made theories have a chance of coming even close to real truth. (Which I don’t know either, i stand firmly into the gnosis of agnosis.

    And no the things you mention are genuinely not required. I even know a religious teacher who teaches christianity in a religious school and even that one would dead seriously tell me that she does not think Jesus was ever more then a moral fiction and the bible was to be interpreted, not taken literal.

    Actually religious people do believe a higher power exists.. but everything else is optional and it would still count as religion.

    What your talking about is specifically “religious doctrine” which is common indeed (and bad) does not mean the act of religion itself bad.

    Doctorine is often religion. Religion is not always doctrine.

    Same like religion is human but not all humans religious.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    religious people do believe a higher power exists.. but everything else is optional

    well now we're going way off track and deep in to the territory of twisting and distorting the reality of religion into knots, and for what? These religions' texts are quite clear - you only get salvation if you partake in certain very specific rituals. Why do such people go to such lengths to keep a dead worldview alive? If they accept that the rituals and the bigotry of the religion are irrelevant superstition from a pre-scientific age, why are they insisting on looking for life in the religion's hollow carcass? Such people also seem stupid to me. They should just accept that the religion they grew up with is built on nothing, there's nothing of value in it, so they should drop it, and move on with their life, as just another unknowing human being who isn't special and doesn't have any great purpose.

    It's honestly fine to live like that and I don't know why you are trying to make excuses for such people. They are holding us back as a society.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I am sorry to say but you sketch a very narrow minded view of religion that covers only an Extremist part.

    You do not need to partake in ANY rituals. Rituals are doctrine.

    I am trying to defending people who i know exist who are doing actual good for society but happen to have some personal spiritual thing going on in their private lives.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    There is still room for "some personal spiritual thing" in our private lives.

    What there isn't room for is the idea that someone who hears voices in their head might really be talking to God, or an angel, or a space alien.

    There is no secret source of truth inside us. No voice of god telling us what to do or not to do. I meet far too many people who have this unfounded faith in some random idea that popped into their head. It is imperative for our species continued survival that such people learn how to think critically.

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