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This looks like a good time (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

Giving the impression that something is an autistic trait, or indeed a sign of any condition, when it isn't, is harmful and wrong.

It's quite different when it's an element of culture, because to an extent culture is a matter of self-definition.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    You're hilarious.

    You think the point is to convince people they're autistic when they describe an activity they do.

    But that's not remotely the point. The point is to make people who already know they're autistic laugh at the thing they do so frequently that other people perceive it as weird.

    It's an "in" joke among autistic people.

    It's not about you, bro. It has nothing to do with you.

    You don't understand it, and you're not supposed to.

    When socializing, autistic people already have to spend literally 100% of our whole waking lives making everything about you, and you just naturally demand that we do that and you spend literally 0% of your lives trying to figure out what we're about or trying to learn anything about us.

    You try to make our communication between each other somehow about you. Well it's not.

    We're allowed to have our own "in" jokes, and if you don't understand it, you're free to not bother trying. It won't bother us at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    No, I don't think that's the point, and I didn't say that.

    But I do think that is an effect that talk like that has, whether it's intended or not. And I think it's a blind-spot that autistic people are more likely to have - the effect talk can have on people outside the intended audience and meaning.

    If you think about the joke now, do you think it might have an unintended effect?

    It’s not about you

    So glad to know that you have determined whether I have autism over the internet in the course of a couple of social media posts.

    But no, it's not about me, it's about young people who don't know much about autism and who can be influenced by how you discuss it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    So neurodivergent people should police their speech and monitor how they express themselves, lest they influence the thoughts of the naive, impressionable youth? Does that sound familiar to you?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I only disagree with the dumb tone you've given that sentence.

    Everyone should refrain from spreading falsehoods, and if you say something that can reasonably lead to a false conclusion and didn't intend it to, then it's your responsibility to try and be more precise.

    If you want to only focus on the duty that lands on neurodivergent people; if you want to describe that as "policing", then you can have fun doing that.

    You didn't respond to my first point, which is that wrongly implying that something is an autistic trait is harmful wrong. Do you disagree? Because this focus on what I'm saying people should do is surely secondary to that - if it is harmful or wrong, then people shouldn't do it, and if it isn't, then it doesn't matter and I should shut up about it? Right? So why don't we refocus on that?

    Does that sound familiar to you?

    Nope, should it?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    spreading falsehoods

    What part of the post says "if you like arts and crafts you're autistic"? Or even remotely hints at that? Nobody was spreading falsehoods. An autistic person said they're having a good time, and an aspect of their autism had a degree of influence over how they experienced that joy in the moment. How is somebody supposed to avoid saying falsehoods when clowns like you are out here pulling "falsehoods" out of your ass to whinge about how members of marginalized groups express themselves?

    If you want to only focus on the duty that lands on neurodivergent people; if you want to describe that as "policing", then you can have fun doing that.

    What other focus were you drawing in your comment? You were just saying that autistic people need to be careful to not spread "falsehoods" about autism (I again invite you to demonstrate how the post does that), which was instigated by an autistic person expressing joy and literally nothing else. Your entire issue is hinged on someone saying they're happy ina way you don't personally like.

    You ignored my first point

    No, you don't have a point. That's my point. In the context of this post, you're just upset at autistic people publicly existing ina way that personally offends you due to prejudice and bigotry. Nobody but you has implied that liking art = autism, and you only made that implication to have a strawman to argue about. In a different context, about a different thing that was demonstrably manipulating someone to equate autism with something that isn't in line with clinical diagnostics, you might kind of have a point to make. But even then I'd be hesitant to agree with the way you'd approach that because you're obviously prejudiced against neurodivergent people.

    Nope, should it?

    Yes, your shitty rhetoric is 1:1 with how racists, homophobes, transphobes, xenophobes, etc. talk about whatever group/s they hate. The spirit of your comment (including your half assed strawman) could easily be applied to so many other marginalized groups

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I have no way to prove to you I don't hate autistic people, and that (incorrect, unjustified) conclusion of yours is colouring your entire assessment of what I'm saying, so there's not much point trying to rebut most of what you said.

    If you can't see how the OP's caption might lead some people to think that enjoyment of geometry and patterns means you're autistic, then I can't help you further. I will just - gently - reiterate that an actual autistic trait is a difficulty holding in mind multiple interpretations of the same thing. I'm not saying you're wrong in your interpretation, I'm saying that another one exists and its consequences can't be ignored just because of the intended one.

    I think gay people also have a responsibility not to mislead, but I don't think any homophobic rhetoric focuses on misinformation - I guess you're taking about people who'd have gay people not talk about being gay, in case it "corrupts the youth", but this is very different; there is nothing wrong with accurately representing autism (or homosexuality). There is something wrong with inaccurately representing it.

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