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[–] 0 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Cool. Some persian historian wrote a woman MIGHT walk with a golden vessel. Any records of that actually taking place or are we taking an unproven hypothosis ss fact now?

I suggest you actually read the "paper" you cited as 200 million deaths in battle since 3000BCE.

The author says himself, it's to be considered a very preliminary estimation, with estimates that may increase significantly, primarily to provide incentive for future studies.

If you can't even be bothered to read the papers you link. Why should anyone take anything you say seriously?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    I did read it and It's an order of magnitude reference in the worst case. You're still short somewhere around 1.8 billion to 3.8 billion male deaths to overtake a rough best case estimate of total female deaths from childbirth.

    I've gone above and beyond to support my argument while all you do is hand wave and move goal posts. Back your words up with something. Its really sad you can't admit you're wrong or support your argument at all.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    You just never learn do you?

    It's painfully obvious you didn't actually read the paper. You looked at a few words, saw a number you liked and called it a day.

    But to top it all off, you're now comparing a paper trying to estimate soldier deaths from 3000 BC to present day. With your estimated childbirth mortality, from the beginning of our species.

    I'm not short ~2 billion deaths, you've taken the liberty of giving yourself a 300'000 year long head start.

    You have genuinly not managed to support any claim you've made. At all.

    Even when you try to cherry pick a paper that is taking estimates of relatively modern European deaths and then extrapolating them across the globe over thousands of years. You can't even be bothered to read the part where the author of that paper doesn't even think that number is accurate.

    I'll say that again. The author of the paper you linked. Does not think his estimates are accurate. He thinks the numbers are significantly higher. And hopes that his paper will be an incentive for future, more in depth studies.

    That's not me handwaving or moving the goalpost. That's the author's own concluding thoughts. But you would have known that. If you actually read his work.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    Link something or shut up you moron

    I don't think you have because your position isn't supported. If you did you would prove yourself wrong...

    Are you incapable of actually sourcing something or even doing the detailed math to prove your position? Thats the core of it. Ive proved my point and you've just had waved and nit picked minutae that has no actual impact on either side. Prove it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    Let's get one thing straight here. I'm not making the claim that "more men died in battle full stop". It's you that's making the claim "more women died in childbirth full stop". I'm pointing out that what you provide to support that doesn't hold water and isn't even remotely close.

    Now, i wasnt even going to bring this up, because normally it doesn't really matter. But since were going back hundreds of thousands of years, it actually does matter.

    Girls and boys are not born 50/50. (UK study) There are usually ~105 boys born for every 100 girls. And we have in modern times seen that number increase after times of war and distress.

    couple with a very disturbing practise called "female infanticide". Why would they do that? You probably ask. And again. We can only truly answer for the modern times since they didn't really catalog that sort of thing 4000 years ago. But it boils down to that boys are more capable of hard labour and more likely to stay with their family, compared to the women who would go to stay with their partner and his family.

    So if you are worried about who will take care of you when you're old. You'll be looking at your sons. So when food is running scarse. Who do you think they feed first? Or at all for that matter.

    And you will probably say something like, pfff sure, how often did that happen? And the answer to that is more than enough for the Brittish to outlaw it in 1870

    And of course. It's not exactly the kind of thing most people wrote down and documented (dear diary, today we killed our baby daughter). So we can't know how prevelant it was across the world throughout history. But from our modern accounts, it seems to occur more as resources decrease. 50% of your kids were expected to die anyway. Might as well keep feeding the ones that can protect you later.

    More boys being born. Girls being killed in their cribs for being a waste of food. Leads to a society with more boys than girls. More boys => larger army = larger wars => more deaths among soldiers

    Which all points towards that the notion that more women dying in childbirth than men in battle. Historically speaking, isn't very clear. I think now having looked into it more, that it's entirely possible more men have died in battle. Can i prove it? Of course not. We don't know too much about what happened 10000 years ago. People were unfortunately notoriously illiterate and not very good at writing things down.

    As a final note. You have not proved anything. Beyond that you seem to think every girl born grew up past puberty. And that your scope of "calculations" consists of trying to compare 300000 years of births with, 5000? 7000? years of men dying in battle.

    Me calling out your moronic statements is not finger wagging or moving a goalpost. Anyway. You wanted some links, enjoy. Bonus points if you can read enough to learn which ethnicity in the UK is suspected of aborting girls due to having a lot more boys born than girls on average.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    Hahahahha "there are 5% more boys than girls therefore suddenly we go from ~200 million military male deaths to surpass your rough conservative estimate of 2-4 billion mothers who died in childbirth."

    Its getting harder and harder to find people capable of making coherent arguments online. At least you know how to read and write (must have a water proof keyboard to survive the drooling) but it seems doing the bare minimum like math and Fermi estimating are a lost art.

    I hope you dont work anywhere important or do anything that could affect peoples lives beyond greeting them at Walmart. I really pity you...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Holy shit. You're so dense, scientists need to study what you're made of.

    Personally I hold a masters in economy. But even a fifth-grader should be able to inform you that 105 boys being born for every 100 girls (in peace time) isn't 5% more boys. It's 1.2% more boys. What was that you said about bare minimum math being a lost art? You know what. For once, you and I agree on something.

    That 1.2% is just from babies being born. Once you factor in female infanticide you'll get an even larger gap.

    Not to mention. You don't even remember that the 200m figure you came up with is a halfbaked estimate extrapolated from battles in the 1400's, applied to the past 5000 years, rather than the past 300000. psst, that's a 295000 year difference.

    And before you try to do that yourself. Since we both know bare minimum math isn't your strong suit. It's gonna be a very annoying integral to solve due to lack of reliable census data.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    With how braindead you are its no surprise you work in economics. And by "a masters in economics" i assume H&R block piloting turbotax? I think they sometimes hire masters in econ of your caliber there. Its a hard job clicking on brigjtly colored arrows and filling in boxes. Was there no online calculator to lead you to the right conclusion? If there was it would tell you you're flat our wrong hahahaha!

    200m figure you came up with is a halfbaked estimate extrapolated from battles in the 1400's, applied to the past 5000 years, rather than the past 300000. psst, that's a 295000 year difference.

    If you look at the world population past 3000 BCE it wasnt very much...

    I bet most "wars" back then were a warlord and has 20 best buds going for campaign while some of their wives die in labour.

    How is a master in economics unable to do math? You havent given me a detailed breakdown of your position at all besides shouting out percentages like they mean something.

    BTW im more than happy to keep coming back to dunk on you any time you respond. I love being right hahaha!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Those are a lot of big words from someone that thinks 105 boys per 100 girls is a 55/45 split.

    I'll stop "shouting percentages" at you. You can't comprehend them to begin with. probably get a heart attack trying to understand what statistical probability is. Good thing we never wasted time on that.

    Good luck. I'm sure you'll get far in life

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah i bet you regret doing econ. Turned out well for you didn't it? Arent economists supposed to be masters of exactly this kind of problem? Did you get straight Cs and Ds and suck the dean off to get your degree? You've done a horrible job explaining your position. You never were able to extrapolate your points into exactly how more military men were supposed to have died than women through childbirth. You were—and still are—off by at least one order of magnitude on your best case argument.

    Your most convincing argument could be boiled down to "nuh uh!" Without anything substantial to back it up unlike me. The numerical janitor can't do math or convincingly make an argument with his prodigious econ skills!

    Go back to doing peoples taxes...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why would I regret getting a degree? I'm paid well with 6 weeks of paid vacation. Not that it's relevant so why you want to try and bring that up is beyond me.

    And what is this about doing other peoples taxes? No one does that here. The government tells you what you owe, how much your employer paid on your behalf. And if you don't have any deductions and it looks good, you simply press "submit". Takes like 5 minutes.

    Economists generally do not excavate corpses in the fossil layers to count the number of dead bodies. So i would not say we're experts at that.

    We mostly deal with finances or various categories. Like investment funds or long term budgets for governments and banks. that kinda of stuff. So, now you know i guess.

    Your inability to comprehend the basics is not something I can help you with.

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