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Why does lemvotes.org only work on some posts/comments? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago by to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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The question is basically the title.

It's very hit-and-miss. But mostly miss. That picture of a cat hiding under wrapping paper taunts me.

It doesn't seem to be related to what instance the content is on. But I haven't been able to find any pattern.

Is there an alternative (for non-instance-admins) that works more reliably?

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[–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

I am dumb, but this is how it was explained to me:

You know how our instances are federated to one another selectively? Instance owners decide whether to federate to Lemvotes or not.

An alternative that's usually proposed that I deemed too far out of my interests was creating and hosting your own instance. Then you can view the votes of instances who federate to you

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Why can't someone just make a frontend that shows the voters?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Good question. If you fuck with the more microblog side of fediverse, votes literally appear on your posts as likes. Now that I think about it that's a viable alternative, OP. you just can't browse lemmy the same way, you have follow comms as if they're topics to get them to appear on your feed.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (12 children)

    Instance owners decide whether to federate to Lemvotes or not.

    Yeah, but I'm quite certain that I can find examples of posts/comments from the same instance, some of which works fine on Lemvotes and one of which doesn't.

    For instance, my most recent two posts were:

    • Made by the same user (me)
    • Posted to the same instance
    • Posted to the same community on that instance
    • Within three days of each other

    But the most recent post works fine on Lemvotes while the second-most-recent gives me the 404 page.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    The common denominator is the instance the particular comment is posted from. For instance you could be viewing any thread in particular. On any instance in general. But if it's one of the ones that's defederated from lemvotes like lemmy.ml. That person's comment or post and everything under it will give you a 404.

    It will also cause a mismatch on vote count. You will see everyone that upvoted or downvoted the comment except for those from the defederated instances.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Yes, but as I said in another comment, I have examples of comments made by the same user to two different communities on the same instance which none-the-less differ with regard to whether they work on Lemvotes. So apparently it can vary by which community it's posted to, not just by instance.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Wait, is this a new community? I bet you it's a federation issue. If this is the first time that the lemvotes server has been pointed to that community. It may not have a copy of anything on hand to actually check against. Depending on how it works. Piefed and Lemmy both can take a while to populate a new community. And won't do so until the first person from its instance requests to view them. So you might not see much of anything at first but over the next few days especially if there are repeated attempts to access it should try to load in the backlog. But it's not instant. So it may just be a legitimate 404.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ah! Ok. That makes sense and seems plausible. The Linuxsucks Sucks community is a little over a month old and hasn't had all that many folks participate.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes I'm Loosely aware of the drama surrounding the reference community. I just don't give it any mind. And use Linux or BSD on everything. If they want to be a pissy power tripping baby in their community then they can. But I don't think they should expect too many to participate either.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Fair. Definitely don't blame you. I only participate because it's fun to poke the bear and have fun at Madthumbs' expense sometimes. Like the Buttcoin community (or rather "communities" - there are at least 4 on Lemmy) does with cryptobros. And Artificial Ignorance does with generative AI.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    No what I was stating is that who the parent of a comment is can impact it as much as who made the comment. Go into a thread where anyone from Lemmy.ml has posted. If you try to look at their upvotes and downvotes it will give you a 404. If you look at the posts of anyone who replies to them it will also give you a 404. However if you see someone who replied to them post in another thread. It can report without a 404 simply because the person from lemmy.ml wasn't in the chain. If they enter anywhere into the chain you will get a 404. The same for any instance that has defederated

    Oh wait I see what you're saying now interesting

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Ah. I'm with you. Well that's super annoying. Maybe one more reason why lemmy.world should defederate from lemmy.ml. :\

    Edit: Oh, I wrote this before I saw your edit. I thought you were saying that if a lemmy.ml user responds to a thread on lemmy.world, then the whole thread won't work on Lemvotes. Which... I don't specifically know isn't the case at this point. But yeah.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Huh. Yeah I can't see lemvotes results for any of your posts anywhere. I wonder if .world has defederated. You said you got results for one of them? Are you using the linked marked with the fediverse symbol?

    The other one will give lemvotes the instance you are currently on which will only show results if the instance you're browsing from federates to lemvotes.

    The fediverse link will give lemvotes the post from the instance the author posted from, which it needs to work consistently

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Huh! After reviewing, I think I must have mistaken something because my last two posts are not in the same community. (I also switched computers between my last comment two up and this one.)

    And now, if I pick a bunch of my posts in the same community, I'm consistently seeing that those apparently don't work on Lemvotes. (Or at least I haven't found a counterexample yet.)

    But the OP for this thread (to this community which is on Lemmy.world) works fine (for me, at least) on Lemvotes while my second-most-recent post (also to a community on Lemmy.world) doesn't work on Lemvotes.

    And, yeah, I'm using the fediverse symbol link for all these tests. Maybe Lemmy.world blocks some communities for federation but not others? That's about the only theory that makes sense to me off the top of my head so far.

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