DudleyMason comments on Jacob Berger asking for nudes while on the Gaza Flotilla

Jacob Berger asking for nudes while on the Gaza Flotilla (lemmy.ml)

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He’s still taken seriously in these organizations despite all the allegations against him. Every day this stuff gets easier. I’ve partly automated it.

You know, one of the reasons women make better feds is they don't have such a severe, unseemly need to seek out sexual violence. I want to find the Catherine Shakdams. This guy even looks like a cop.

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago (45 children)

Is there more context to this? Or have we really reached a point in secular puritans discourse where asking for nudes (as a blanket ask, even, not directed at anyone in particular) is "sexual violence"?

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -19 points 2 months ago (44 children)

Yeah the context would be the people who said he assaulted them, who can be found by searching his name. I prefer to give as little context as possible so I can screenshot people on here defending asking for nudes on a boat named for a symbol of the children orphaned by genocide, left with no choice but to take up arms, from which people were kidnapped and assaulted by the IDF. This being their sole political goal other than recruiting grifters like Berger with a huge online following, and shielding them because of their reach.

Now if you'll excuse me we have an epic crossover episode between Democracy Now! and a favorite around here, Novara Media

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 20 points 2 months ago (17 children)

This is the only source I found when searching:
https://israelfaqs.com/docs/who-is-jacob-berger-and-why-do-many-say-hes-not-what-he-pretends-to-be/

Not gonna trust that for obvious reasons. Context matters. If this dude is raping people you should include the fucking context. Otherwise it just appears that you are helping push isntreal propaganda against flotilla activists.

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[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've found it in the first page of ddg:

CW: fox news link

https://www.foxnews.com/us/global-intifada-movement-rocked-metoo-allegations-against-jewish-anti-israel-actor-accused-grifter

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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Are we for real using foxnews as source or are you agreeing that this is just israel propaganda?

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[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

I'm not state-unitian, I knew nothing about Jacob Berger, and the OP has refused to clarify anything when asked. This is the first article I've found on the subject, which, for obvious reasons, I've marked as CW. Feel free to provide better sources so I can remove the Fox News one.

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

I think every next ant who skitters around to reveal they get their information from Israel FAQs (i.e. the first thing Google provided) rather than people like Nerdeen Kiswani is a plus.

It's not like you would do anything if I gave you something convincing other than be quiet and glower. I know what you want, and it's not people who support the AoR, you want entertainment from Hollywood perverts. Why don't you wait for the Palestine movie?

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 17 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Yeah Idk what the fuck this says I am telling you theres nothing on the first four pages of DDG. So provide your own context if you want people to understand instead of this multipost rant saying fuck context trust me bro.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

Search her name.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/nerdeen-kiswani-foiled-attack-follows-years-organized-hatred

Edit: https://populartimelines.com/timeline/Nerdeen-Kiswani/full

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I see zero mention of this Jacob Berger guy in here. This article appears to be about somebody named Alex trying to attack Nerdeen with molotovs and then flee to Israel? No idea how its relevant here. I do see her saying he was grifting but not that he assaulted someone. you can even search "Jacob Berger Sexual Assault" on your engine of choice and get nothing but the article you linked and a fox news one calling him a grifter. Thats it.

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Doddering fool. Try searching her profile

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

https://xcancel.com/KatanaSpeaks/status/1975438344579653755#m

Finally fucking found what you've been treating as Gospel. Its a string of tweets from someone claiming to have been SA'd by him. You could have just linked this, but you wanted to argue and put yourself above everyone instead of actually spreading awareness.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Can you explain what spreading awareness here would accomplish, other than more people like you harassing victims of sexual assault?

Remember the very first thing you did after realizing that I am (always) right was deny their testimony. It's easy to predict because they grow you people in cloning vats.

🤡 1

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 8 points 2 months ago

Remember the first thing you did was refuse to elaborate, link the wrong person (Hana Katana does not appear to be Nerdeen), call me a fucken idiot, refuse to link anything further. You handled this entire thing with your nose turned down and adversarial. When instead you could have begun with this thread linked in your FUCKING post and everyone wouldnt have been hostile but inquisitive. You made this hostile, dont act like this is the norm.

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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Seriously not everyone can keep up with loser American trash doing what American trash does just give context when someone ask wtf.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

No. You will be forced to experience Graham Platnerism for eternity. You're welcome.

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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

oooaaaaaaauhhh

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -9 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

Guy who thinks DDG (Bing, a k.a. Microsoft) is going to give him forthright information about any issue related to Palestine is a funny concept but being labelled "anarchist" just makes it perfect. I'm not saying trust me bro, bro. I'm saying keep showing how little any of you can find without my help, just like with Platner.

Why not? Do you think you have any utility to the Palestinian resistance that you wouldn't have displayed in the past 3~ years? I think we have seen every card you have. Complain, complain, complain, the Israelis love it. At least I can feel out what information you have access to, and do something with that.

All hail JaKKKob Burger the fat pussy king of the influencer yacht

This comment is how you found out The Sameer Project is out of money. You never gave them a dime. How could I know that? Have I been invading your dreams?

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

https://searx.tiekoetter.com/search?q=Jacob+berger&category_general=1&language=en-US&time_range=&safesearch=0&theme=simple

Back yourself up then you cunt. Theres nothing. I can search the inside of your fucked up perspective if you want but I ain't reading your dumb ass shit that you refuse to back up. It'd be easy to get me on your side with evidence instead of being a whole ass bitch.

Edit: and the fucking rapes would have nothing to do with Palestine for the record. Dude is American Egyptian.

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -15 points 2 months ago*

Keep begging, dog. I have all the secrets in the world. One easy hint is all you get.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (15 children)

So it's a bait post then.

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -8 points 2 months ago* (14 children)

I think the amazing thing about redditors is you actually believe coming at people with ignorant jackassery is a contribution, then when you see the natural response you act like you deserve something different, and you're just a widdle guy. Yes, I am baiting you into being a rape apologist so you go to hell, it's not your fault sweet little guy, nothing you've ever been duped into is your fault. But really, it's a fine fidget activity, better than yours. I won't recommend it, as you couldn't learn how.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

I think the amazing thing about redditors is you actually believe coming at people with ignorant jackassery is a contribution

Right back at ya buddy. I'm sure the people of Palestine are eternally grateful for your incredible contribution of "vagueposting so you can screenshot comments from people not knowing the full context about the person in question." That totally isn't terminally online, unhinged redditor jackassery.

If you actually cared about anything you claimed to, you wouldn't be playing these ridiculous games. When a person asked for sources regarding rape allegations, you would provide them, and if you were acting in good faith you would consider someone a rape apologist if they apologized for someone knowing that there were credible allegations. But you're only here for the screenshots. Even if said screenshots come from people simply not knowing the full context of this one random guy that nobody's heard of, because their knowledge comes from you internationally misleading them.

Between this ridiculous baitposting vs. soliciting nudes, it's hard to say which is less productive, more masturbatory, and less related to advancing any sort of political cause.

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -6 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Oh no, what is Palestine going to do without Lemmy? You're so right

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Oh no, what is Palestine going to do if you don't jerk yourself off over screenshots from Lemmy? You're so right.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

And where did I claim this thread was for saving Palestine, rather than my own amusement at your expense, Mr. Objection? There doesn't seem to be a rule against making a fool out of you people.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Well, let's see. I said it was a bait post and you seemed to have a problem with that characterization. If you're admitting that the whole point of the thread is trolling then I really don't have anything else to say.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

Not everything that causes you to show your whole ass of your own damn volition is bait. I think you are elevating this thread by calling it bait, which is a time-honored internet tradition. This is just how I speak to people who have no information to trade with me.

You never had anything to say, my friend. Just "no no no! you have to do what I say!" Or what? I'll lose your respect? What part do you play in the class struggle, being a reply guy?

Nothing. To. Offer.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Boring troll.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The settler liberal weeps after spamming to no avail

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

Well, I won't beg you to cry for what you've done to Palestine, but could you clarify what country you live in and what your political affiliation actually is before squirting out "I know what you are, but what am I?" 🤣

I can smell it on you. You've spent the past three years hoping that voting and protests would counterbalance your tacit support for the genocide. These are the people who rape, distract, and kill for you. Of course you defend them.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, I won’t beg you to cry for what you’ve done to Palestine

What the fuck did I do to Palestine?

but could you clarify what country you live in and what your political affiliation actually is before squirting out “I know what you are, but what am I?” 🤣

Maybe that's something you should have checked before throwing around random insults.

I am an American Marxist-Leninist who voted for PSL as the only party that supported ending the genocide in Gaza. If you check my post history, you can see me advocating that position going back years.

I can smell it on you. You’ve spent the past three years hoping that voting and protests would counterbalance your tacit support for the genocide.

How did I "tacitly support genocide," exactly?

You "smell it on" everyone, because you just automatically assume everyone is your enemy. That's my whole point. You have to make your case earnestly and give people the chance to agree with you before you start berating them, assuming malice, and trying to trick them into humiliating screenshots.

This is just wrecker behavior, and if you're not a fed, they owe you a paycheck.

These are the people who rape, distract, and kill for you. Of course you defend them.

I still don't know anything about this Berger guy. Are you claiming he's killed people on my behalf? If so, it's the first I've heard of it.

Also, I haven't said a single word in his defense.

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[–] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Like I sincerely wish you luck creating higher comedy than Geneva saying "nobody condones this or takes him seriously" about a guy who hasn't been disavowed by any of these "activist" groups, fifteen people immediately saying "I condone him and take him seriously", followed by somebody claiming they can't find any stories about him on Microsoft's version of Google.

Wow, it's almost like the only people who care about it are Palestinian journalists you don't follow. Three years in. Three years you've been killing them, and you won't even listen. There is no more pathetic excuse for a human being than the KKKommon leftoid

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[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

The thrashing these guys are doing to defend general sexism under a guise of “you’re anti sex and actually I’m a feminist for being okay with naked woman” is astonishing. And very sad… Casual Sexism & Rape culture is huge in the online left it seems

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

To be clear, I didn't say a single thing about the guy in the post or anything remotely similar to the strawman position you described. I don't even know who this guy is. My problem is with OP acting blatantly in bad faith, saying that he's just trying to get screenshots of people defending him while deliberately avoiding mention of the context of rape allegations that would likely make these users not defend him.

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

So that's hardcore secular puritansim with a side of word salad. Got it.

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[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 months ago* (5 children)

Do you even know what secular means? How is this secular or puritan?

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[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's puritan because it equates sexual desire with evil, unconditionally. It's secular because puritanism is usually associated with protestantism, but in this case it finds its way through some kind of political moralism that is only indirectly connected with the pervasive puritanism in the American society

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[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago*

But that’s the thing I’m not equating sexual desire with evil. I never said he was evil for being horny, or evil at all. I said he’s a pig because he’s acting like a pig. That’s also not what secular means.

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[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

Humans are animals but we usually wear clothes when in public spaces. There is a difference between having desires and acting on them in a way that would make others uncomfortable.

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[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

what is the threshold for that is culturally subjective. In many contexts, asking for nudes on social media is a normal thing to do.

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

chobeat beat me to it, no notes on their comment.

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[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Oh no! Not screenshots!

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[+] formlessoedon@lemmy.ml [S] -12 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

Oh wait, I forgot the magic analogy that unlocks common sense in the liberal mind: "Hey guys, I'm going to auschwitz, can you send me some hole pics, no boys!! 🙈 the journey is making my loins stir. so many crunchy bloohares around me aoooough"

I may not be a huge Greta fan but come on be a little more protective of your libs

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[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

So many people just itching to reveal they can’t be normal about women. I seriously hope people in here don’t post stuff like this acting like it’s normal. I’m gonna stop replying to these weirdos probably for my own good. The reaction to this is making me sick.

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