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Something curious is going on surrounding X.Org and it's forks... (www.youtube.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/foss@beehaw.org
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Video Title: Open Source People are Fighting to Kill Open Source Projects

My take; since the comments have buried it under the angry defense of Wayland and Freedesktop by trying to dismiss the video creator (who isn't me).

I do think the video makes a pretty good point about how people who attack others for continuing X11 is very much violating the ethos of FOSS communities in general; and I have no doubts that if the claims made in the video are true; I think folks like Stallman would be kind of upset with people behaving that way because it only harms the FOSS community as a whole.

You may not agree with people who want to use X11 for their very niche use cases. That’s fine. But I do question any motives behind any kind of behavior that is not only ceasing all development on X11, but actively blocking and sabotaging others who want to work on X11 from doing so.

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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm oblivious to what is going on. I was under the impression that xorg was obsolete because it had fundamental flaws that moving forward to Wayland would fix.

I'm on xorg still using Mint, and have not moved forward yet because I believe I was going to lose some sort of functionality. I can't comment on things being better over there or what.

Can anyone explain why this video is just being quietly down voted? It lends credibility to his argument.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You are correct but don't forget that somebody's swing app broke and they're real salty about it.

    Also I can't speak for whatever you're worried about but when I moved to Wayland the only thing that broke was java shit like Matlab and those closed software companies are not going to fix their shit for Wayland unless they have to. Oracle certainly isn't going to do shit unless forced. It's not open source anything holding anything back.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think I was eyeballing it about a year ago and seeing that it was still experimental, but what isn't. Also, I think I saw that some people had issues with yuzu on Wayland.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Things have changed in the last year or so. This is about the next releases of distros, nobody's going to go back and retrospectively remove X11 and Xwayland will continue to exist when needed.

    All the hubbub is because Gnome recently decided to drop support for launching X11 sessions from the login manager. Gnome's login manager is Wayland based and Wayland handles handing off graphics to different users properly. With X11 you have to have ugly things like killing the login X server and then spawning a new X server as the new user among other things is ugly and unfixable without serious security issues.

    Wayland wasn't stuck with design decisions that made sense almost 50 years ago in the '80s and does things far more sanely and with less complex code.

    Anyway at some point someone has to pull the plug and Gnome has done that. Many distros are built on Gnome so that's that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm also on Mint and X11, and intended to stay there for the moment specially since reading the latest David Revoy fully Linux FOSS guide for artists, which showed that many things are still behind in development, this may have changed since then but at least back then i decided to let it cook more before trying it out. I hope development has advanced enough that you can switch to it full time already but honestly i have no idea if it's there yet.

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