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[+] -41 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Wearing a skirt implies consent. Clothes (or lack of them) are a form of communication. For example, my well-endowed wife wears revealing clothes if she feels comfortable with the attention and if it is an appropriate time to do so. On the other hand, if she has a business meeting at the office (especially important during meetings with people from other cultures), she will never do so, because that way she would send an inappropriate message. In this way, she takes responsibility for her behavior.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    Wearing a skirt implies consent.

    Consent for WHAT? This is fucking creepy.

    You know that a woman consents with words, right? A woman could walk down the street naked and you still wouldn't have a "right" to force her into anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Ew. Just ew. I can't believe you took the time to type this out and never stopped to consider of it was a bad idea or not. Or even if it was correct or not, you just kept going. It would be admirable if it wasn't so disguising.

    You fundamentally do not understand consent. Consent must be given enthusiastically by both parties involved. Leaving your house in comfortable clothing is not giving enthusiastic consent or, consent at all.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    Wearing a skirt implies consent.

    I'm amazed it has to be said, but no, wearing a skirt does not imply consent for anyone to look up it. The fuck kind of rapist thinking is that?

    Edit: ITT people with poor reading comprehension skills. “Rapist thinking” doesn’t mean “looking = raping,” it means “the way rapists think.” As in, rapists also think that the clothing someone wears “implies consent” for their actions.

    If you’re using the same reasoning as a rapist to justify looking up a woman’s skirt, and you don’t see what’s wrong with that, I worry for the women around you. Be better.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (1 child)
    1. Whatever you wear is what you wear. If skirt is short enough to flash person behind you on stairs, that's on you.
    2. Any physical contact without consent is invalid. The way you dress is not consent.
    3. And if you go for upskirt photo, your target has full right to defend their dignity. By, for example, kicking you off the stairs. Again, consequences of your actions.

    That's my take at least.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Clearly you don't understand the difference between rape, which is a physical assault, and a stare. Eyes don't rape.

    Showing parts of your body implies consent to be looked at, but it is not an invitation to touch or take pictures.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    What happens if she puts on a skirt in the morning because she wants attention, but then at lunchtime an alt-right podcaster sexually assaults her, and then in the afternoon she's still in the skirt even though she's currently feeling traumatized and completely repulsed by any and all sexual attention?

    Many such cases!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    In your 'what if' scenario the victim should be taken care of and away from trying to work or interact with the public in that manner.

    Unless the victim doesn't think it's as bad as we do and they are fine with the attention afterwards. Either way that's probably their choice. Stop taking away their choice.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What if she's taking the train home so she can go watch The Good Place and cry and hug her husband? And what if I'm also taking the train, and I end up on the escalator behind her?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I would assume they would be fine with you following her on an escalator as long as you're not being a creep. There are a bunch of different ways to act between staring at the floor and trying sexually assault someone.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You are mixing two things here. Staring is not assaulting. This thread here is about staring. Regarding sexual (or other physical) assault: anyone can be physically assaulted regardless of their gender or age. Nothing justifies it, but wearing or behaving provocatively blurs the boundaries. I won't go deep into the details of human psycho-sexual intricacies, because this isn't a place for this, and also, judging by the number of downvotes, I see that this topic might be too difficult for some individuals to comprehend.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think you misunderstood Me. I'm talking about if I, a random stranger who doesn't know anything about your wife's story, happens to stare at her ass the afternoon after she was sexually assaulted by an alt-right podcaster. Cause unless she went home to get changed, she's still gonna be in her sexy outfit. So she could be feeling horrible and not want any attention, but I wouldn't know it. And I might stare at her butt, because you said it's okay and I don't know what happened earlier.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't want to come off as agreeing with the other poster, but this argument is so awful that I can't just ignore it.
    What if the assaulter was tall? Am I supposed to slouch all day everyday? Am I literally not allowed to exist because there are horrible people in the world of varying height?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm gonna be honest with you, chief: I'm gay and I love boobies and butts. I stare all the time. I try to do it in a way that doesn't cause discomfort, but if I'm behind a nice ass on the stairs, I'm gonna enjoy the view.

    The only part of the above argument that I'm interested in debunking is the idea that clothes are consent. Since clothes can't always be changed, clothes as a form of consent is difficult to revoke. And any consent that can't be revoked isn't legitimate.

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