▲ 228 ▼ iOS 27 code suggests Apple could restrict leased devices after missed payments (9to5mac.com) submitted 3 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -23 points 3 months ago (29 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 19 points 3 months ago (11 children) I think the discrepancy here is if leasing devices at which I is agree fair. What I take umbridge with is the way ownership is being removed, for something that we know can be produced plentifully. And the push to give everything as a service or lease. As a sociaty We are allowing tiered privileges. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -13 points 3 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (9 children) I think you will find that systems of ownership and being reduced or removed and systems of leasing or renting are being pushed. So its becoming less of an option...surprising to the benefit of the rich...not the user paying Faff around with the language and message all you like, but rent/lease/asa a service etc are all being touted against a 'option' at a time where we are seeing destruction of ownership. This is not good for the average person and I am always surprised by the amount of people who are happy to take this or bootlick on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] PurpleFanatic 10 points 3 months ago (5 children) Plus we’ve had contract phones for decades without the manufacturer putting yet more dead switches in our devices… Do we really want more of this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (16 children) We’ve seen how big tech bends the knee to Trump. What if he told Apple to disable every iPhone due to some made up bullshit state of emergency. This affects everyone’s iPhone not just the leased ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 5 points 3 months ago (10 children) Which is something they already can do, just push an update and they are done. And after they simply go out of the market: nobody will buy their phone anymore. But this is something different, here we are talking about something that is not different than reposessing a car if you don't pay the loan you used to buy it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (9 children) I don't want my car manufacturer sending an update to disable my push to start either. My car is paid off it's mine, I should not have that on my car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Here we are talking about things not completely paid off. If you use a loan to buy something (a car, a phone, a house, whatever) until you paid off all the loan the thing is not yours. If you don't pay your car loan, they can reposses it, if you don't pay your phone loan they block it, if you don't pay your data plan they close it. I don't see anything strange here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Orange man IS bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 19 points 3 months ago (11 children) I think the discrepancy here is if leasing devices at which I is agree fair. What I take umbridge with is the way ownership is being removed, for something that we know can be produced plentifully. And the push to give everything as a service or lease. As a sociaty We are allowing tiered privileges. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -13 points 3 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (9 children) I think you will find that systems of ownership and being reduced or removed and systems of leasing or renting are being pushed. So its becoming less of an option...surprising to the benefit of the rich...not the user paying Faff around with the language and message all you like, but rent/lease/asa a service etc are all being touted against a 'option' at a time where we are seeing destruction of ownership. This is not good for the average person and I am always surprised by the amount of people who are happy to take this or bootlick on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] PurpleFanatic 10 points 3 months ago (5 children) Plus we’ve had contract phones for decades without the manufacturer putting yet more dead switches in our devices… Do we really want more of this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -13 points 3 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (9 children) I think you will find that systems of ownership and being reduced or removed and systems of leasing or renting are being pushed. So its becoming less of an option...surprising to the benefit of the rich...not the user paying Faff around with the language and message all you like, but rent/lease/asa a service etc are all being touted against a 'option' at a time where we are seeing destruction of ownership. This is not good for the average person and I am always surprised by the amount of people who are happy to take this or bootlick on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] PurpleFanatic 10 points 3 months ago (5 children) Plus we’ve had contract phones for decades without the manufacturer putting yet more dead switches in our devices… Do we really want more of this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (9 children) I think you will find that systems of ownership and being reduced or removed and systems of leasing or renting are being pushed. So its becoming less of an option...surprising to the benefit of the rich...not the user paying Faff around with the language and message all you like, but rent/lease/asa a service etc are all being touted against a 'option' at a time where we are seeing destruction of ownership. This is not good for the average person and I am always surprised by the amount of people who are happy to take this or bootlick on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] PurpleFanatic 10 points 3 months ago (5 children) Plus we’ve had contract phones for decades without the manufacturer putting yet more dead switches in our devices… Do we really want more of this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] PurpleFanatic 10 points 3 months ago (5 children) Plus we’ve had contract phones for decades without the manufacturer putting yet more dead switches in our devices… Do we really want more of this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The irony is no one even calls me anymore. I miss when it was a nokia and only used to speak to someone on the go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago Now I just use my phone to look at cat pics on Lemmy. I used to get laid regularly when I talked on a Nokia. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I paid for the line...not the phone. I always buy second hand handsets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) Agreed, but I don't see anything to suggest that the leased phones are getting a special edition of iOS 27 that has the locks. I think what they're saying is that every iPhone running iOS 27 will have the locks, and they will be able to be triggered by third parties. That is worrying. If you own the device outright, it should not have kill switches. I absolutely understand the point of them on the leased phone. They should not be on the phone that is paid for outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (16 children) We’ve seen how big tech bends the knee to Trump. What if he told Apple to disable every iPhone due to some made up bullshit state of emergency. This affects everyone’s iPhone not just the leased ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 5 points 3 months ago (10 children) Which is something they already can do, just push an update and they are done. And after they simply go out of the market: nobody will buy their phone anymore. But this is something different, here we are talking about something that is not different than reposessing a car if you don't pay the loan you used to buy it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (9 children) I don't want my car manufacturer sending an update to disable my push to start either. My car is paid off it's mine, I should not have that on my car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Here we are talking about things not completely paid off. If you use a loan to buy something (a car, a phone, a house, whatever) until you paid off all the loan the thing is not yours. If you don't pay your car loan, they can reposses it, if you don't pay your phone loan they block it, if you don't pay your data plan they close it. I don't see anything strange here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Orange man IS bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 5 points 3 months ago (10 children) Which is something they already can do, just push an update and they are done. And after they simply go out of the market: nobody will buy their phone anymore. But this is something different, here we are talking about something that is not different than reposessing a car if you don't pay the loan you used to buy it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (9 children) I don't want my car manufacturer sending an update to disable my push to start either. My car is paid off it's mine, I should not have that on my car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Here we are talking about things not completely paid off. If you use a loan to buy something (a car, a phone, a house, whatever) until you paid off all the loan the thing is not yours. If you don't pay your car loan, they can reposses it, if you don't pay your phone loan they block it, if you don't pay your data plan they close it. I don't see anything strange here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (9 children) I don't want my car manufacturer sending an update to disable my push to start either. My car is paid off it's mine, I should not have that on my car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Here we are talking about things not completely paid off. If you use a loan to buy something (a car, a phone, a house, whatever) until you paid off all the loan the thing is not yours. If you don't pay your car loan, they can reposses it, if you don't pay your phone loan they block it, if you don't pay your data plan they close it. I don't see anything strange here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Here we are talking about things not completely paid off. If you use a loan to buy something (a car, a phone, a house, whatever) until you paid off all the loan the thing is not yours. If you don't pay your car loan, they can reposses it, if you don't pay your phone loan they block it, if you don't pay your data plan they close it. I don't see anything strange here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Every phone is going to get the code that does this - paid off or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) I think to remember to have read something about the possibility for a car manufacturer to remotely disable the car if requested or defaulted, something like once you park the car and turn off the engine it will not start again so no security problem, but I cannot pinpoing when/where i read it or if it ever went beyond the stage of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) If requested by who? IIRC by the seller, if you did not pay the montly check for your loan they were able to disable the car and then recollect it That would actually be a fantastic security feature for owners to be able to do if their car is stolen. Yep, it was a fantastic security feature for the owners but also a way to disable the car if you do not pay the loan. In some way yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Ok, but then it is perfectly fair also for a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Orange man IS bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Orange man IS bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) The potential for misuse is absolutely on topic. I merely gave one example. There are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)