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196 is taking it's stand against evil tankie communist aggression /s (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The moment they openly defended keeping chasers around and sexually tokenizing trans women, I was out. Those lead to a compatibilist approach to integration via internalizing self-deprecation and worse.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    The moment they openly defended keeping chasers around and sexually tokenizing trans women

    barely related tangent warning:

    chasers are thing in most lgbtqia communities and it's fascinating to me how they're embraced in the ones i'm a member of (bears, chubs, daddies, mature) and how they're reviled in most of the trans communities and for the same exact reasons in all circumstances.

    it makes me wonder if the way that men and women are conditioned to regard to their own sexuality has anything to do with it.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    One thing to consider is that the people you're describing as accepted are fundamentally already in the in group that is oppressed - gay or bi. Chasers are basically universally cis men treating trans women as a fetish object. The dehumanizing aspect is different when it is in no way self-referential and when the basic identity is what is fetishized.

    Another way to think of it is that for a group of people oppressed in their societies, one of the few ways those (cis) societies "value" trans women is as a taboo sexual fetish, often an exploitable one.

    This does relate to gender in that these societies are misogynist and treat women's bodies as available for purchase in one way or another, plus a long ladder up to that actual act - simulation, imagery, drama, etc. The act of "acquisition" is gender biased in the extreme and coincides with the impoverished of women, and not coincidentally trans women. What is the value of a woman?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    The misogyny and women's "value" are what I was referring to when I postulated that it had something to do w societal conditioning towards their own sexualities and it's undeniable that it plays a part.

    What's also undeniable is that some chasers also get off on the taboos like the chubby chaser encouragers objectify their partners as a taboo (chub) within a taboo (queer).

    Also: the Kinsey scale's behavior metric automatically qualifies those male cis-gendered objectifiers as members of the LGBTQIA umbrella -- whether they want to accept that themselves or not

    So then trans women chasers seem to be cut from the same cloth as many of the chasers in other queer communities. Yet the latter is still embraced in it's respective communities the former still reviled.

    I could understand if the issue was that the trans chasers are psychologically closeted and it makes them exhibit less than desirable behavior towards their fellow queers; but the same is true for "down low" or "discreet" men and -- again -- not even "down low" men engender the same level of revilement that is leveraged at the trans chasers.

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