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[+] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip -10 points 3 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago (3 children) Things really can get a lot worse and very quickly. Things can also get a lot better very quickly. Being against major change because change can be bad is like being against having a big cake because shit can also be big. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Generally I share your sentiment, but just for consideration, I couldn't so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? Does human nature support that, or is major change virtually guaranteed to trigger power struggles and chaos detrimental to the average citizen? I'm not sure we can objectively assert an answer very confidently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago there is no human nature, existence precedes essence. we first exist, then we decide what the fuck we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago Just saw this but @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml seems to have beat me too it. But effectively: I couldn’t so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? They can, simply look at China or the USSR when the revolution came and effectively every metric that matters (life expectancy up, poverty down etc.) went vertical. Does human nature support that Human nature isn't real. Material reality precedes thought/nature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) Decades of incrementalism is precisely how the US got to the spot where Trump has become a viable political figure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 3 months ago It's also notable that the decline in worker rights neatly coincides with the fall of USSR when the main alternative system was finally eliminated and we had the whole end of history moment. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago (3 children) Things really can get a lot worse and very quickly. Things can also get a lot better very quickly. Being against major change because change can be bad is like being against having a big cake because shit can also be big. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Generally I share your sentiment, but just for consideration, I couldn't so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? Does human nature support that, or is major change virtually guaranteed to trigger power struggles and chaos detrimental to the average citizen? I'm not sure we can objectively assert an answer very confidently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago there is no human nature, existence precedes essence. we first exist, then we decide what the fuck we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago Just saw this but @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml seems to have beat me too it. But effectively: I couldn’t so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? They can, simply look at China or the USSR when the revolution came and effectively every metric that matters (life expectancy up, poverty down etc.) went vertical. Does human nature support that Human nature isn't real. Material reality precedes thought/nature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Generally I share your sentiment, but just for consideration, I couldn't so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? Does human nature support that, or is major change virtually guaranteed to trigger power struggles and chaos detrimental to the average citizen? I'm not sure we can objectively assert an answer very confidently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago there is no human nature, existence precedes essence. we first exist, then we decide what the fuck we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago Just saw this but @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml seems to have beat me too it. But effectively: I couldn’t so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? They can, simply look at China or the USSR when the revolution came and effectively every metric that matters (life expectancy up, poverty down etc.) went vertical. Does human nature support that Human nature isn't real. Material reality precedes thought/nature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago there is no human nature, existence precedes essence. we first exist, then we decide what the fuck we are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago Just saw this but @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml seems to have beat me too it. But effectively: I couldn’t so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really? They can, simply look at China or the USSR when the revolution came and effectively every metric that matters (life expectancy up, poverty down etc.) went vertical. Does human nature support that Human nature isn't real. Material reality precedes thought/nature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) Decades of incrementalism is precisely how the US got to the spot where Trump has become a viable political figure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 3 months ago It's also notable that the decline in worker rights neatly coincides with the fall of USSR when the main alternative system was finally eliminated and we had the whole end of history moment. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 3 months ago It's also notable that the decline in worker rights neatly coincides with the fall of USSR when the main alternative system was finally eliminated and we had the whole end of history moment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 3 months ago It's also notable that the decline in worker rights neatly coincides with the fall of USSR when the main alternative system was finally eliminated and we had the whole end of history moment. permalink fedilink source parent
